Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast, the weekly podcast where Dr. G gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.

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Speaker 1: 00:52 Guest number one, Dave Asprey.

Dr. Gundry: 00:55 Most people have heard of Bulletproof coffee, I hope and you hope. I don’t think a lot of people, certainly my listeners may not know your backstory. How did all this come about? How did you go from a 300 pound college student to the world’s most famous biohacker?

Dave Asprey: 01:18 Well, I spent $1 million and 20 years hacking my biology. I started out not just 300 pounds. I was diagnosed from blood tests as being at high risk for stroke and heart attack before I was 30. I had arthritis in my knees since I was 14. I had been diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, toxic mold exposure, Lyme disease, and pretty much you name it. It seemed like it was all going wrong, but the thing that scared me and really motivated me, it was two things.

Dave Asprey: 01:49 One, after my second knee surgery before I was 23, I said, “Never again. I’m going to lose this weight even if it kills me.” I worked at an hour and a half a day, six days a week, went on a low fat, low calorie diet and at the end of that time I could max out all the machines in the gym and I still weighed 300 pounds. I thought, “Oh, it’s because I’m eating too much lettuce. It must be that.” I realized since then that 90% of how you look is what you put in your mouth and what you put in the world around. Exercise is the other 10%.

Dr. Gundry: 02:21 I think that’s a really good point. You and I obviously agree on a lot of things and that’s certainly one of them that exercise absolutely has a place, but I think we put far too much emphasis on that part and not enough emphasis on what goes in our mouth, what goes on us and what goes in the mouths of things we might be be eating.

Dave Asprey: 02:46 I think you and I actually share an unusual distinction and that we might be at the very edge of people saying, “Actually, it’s what you don’t put in your mouth that matters more than what you do put in your mouth.” Although, they’re both important. That’s certainly in the whole Bulletproof lifestyle from the very first day is like, “Could you stop doing the stuff that makes you weak?” Because it’s easier to do that than it is to do more lifting heavy things or whatever the heck. So, kudos to you for helping that message get out there, because eating bad stuff is worse than not eating good stuff.

Dr. Gundry: 03:20 You’re right. Rule number one of the plant paradox, it’s not what I tell you to eat that’s important, is what I tell you not to eat that’s going to make the big difference. Okay. What the heck are smart drugs?

Dave Asprey: 03:33 Sure. In Game Changers, I interviewed almost 500 people who have done big things including you, things that are world changing, leading in their categories and said, “What are the commonalities? What do people agree on?” The three big buckets were people who do big things generally do things to become smarter, to become faster and to become happier. They do big things because they’re happier. They’re not happy because they did big things. It turns out that one of the ways that people do perform better is using either pharmaceuticals or plant-based compounds to improve their cognitive function. We’ve known about some of these for 50 plus years. They are well studied. Some of them have famous movies like Limitless roughly based on them, and I’ve been using them for 20 years.

Dave Asprey: 04:21 The idea that they can’t work therefore they don’t is well entrenched in Western medicine, but when you look at the studies particularly around modafinil, one of the smart drugs that I write about in Game Changers, the studies are pretty convincing that it actually does increase cognitive performance in some domains. In my case, I had this brain fog that was really a problem and it’s gone now. When I eat the right stuff, I perform at a very high level even for what I would’ve done when I was in my 20s and I’m in my 40s, but for eight years I took modafinil.

Dave Asprey: 04:53 It improved my meditation practice quantitatively with EEG. It improved my relationships. I got my MBA at Wharton while working full time at a startup, and it basically made me better at almost everything I did. I don’t actually benefit much from taking it now. I feel a tiny bump, but it’s barely noticeable compared to before it was like someone turned the lights on. So, all of us can benefit, and some of these compounds actually reduce aging of the brain and of other tissues in the body. They improve performance of mitochondria, the power plants in the cells that your viewers are no doubt familiar with. So, why aren’t we all using these is my big question.

Dr. Gundry: 05:30 You’re going to live to be 180.

Dave Asprey: 05:34 At least. I don’t want to put a cap on it.

Dr. Gundry: 05:36 Okay, let’s not put a cap on it.

Dave Asprey: 05:38 I know we can do 120 because you and I have seen it in a few cases. So, it is not impossible. It is a proven thing. Those people didn’t know where they were born. I think we had the wheel back then and maybe fire. We certainly didn’t have antibiotics. We didn’t have public sanitation. We didn’t understand mitochondria. We hadn’t done the human genome project. You couldn’t get a lot of the foods you can get now. Supplements weren’t available and all of the medical procedures that are available now, including heart surgery, were totally not available back then. So, if they can do it under those conditions, I’m pretty sure with conscious choice and intention and just making better decisions, not even perfect ones, 120 is eminently achievable with what we have today, assuming a truck doesn’t hit me. Okay.

Dave Asprey: 06:22 So then, I also am friends with the people who are leading the anti-aging research groups. I’ve been involved in that for 20 years. I know what’s happening. I know what’s coming. I have compounds that are under NDA that are not for human consumption that increased lifespan of rats by 95%. Am I taking those? Yeah. Might they do something that we don’t know about? Yeah. If I could double my lifespan, is it a good risk? I think so. So, those are the types of things that are coming.

Dave Asprey: 06:57 You look at all of the machine learning, all the artificial intelligence, the fact your human genome is now free if you’re willing to share your data with drug companies or a few hundred dollars. If not, you know what? I’m pretty sure we’re going to get 50% over the next 100 years. In fact, I think it’s a very conservative number. The first person to live 1,000 years is probably walking the earth today.

Dr. Gundry: 07:19 Now, the naysayers would say, “Why would anybody want to do that?”

Dave Asprey: 07:25 Having spent so much time with vibrant, passionate, older people, my picture of aging is different than what most people watching us today are thinking about. When someone says old, you immediately imagine the stoop shoulders, the walker, tubes, monitors, wheelchairs, diapers, not remembering your own name like it is a dark place, right? Being alone in an aging home. That’s actually not what happened throughout all of history except for about the last 50 years.

Dave Asprey: 07:56 What aging looks like is being functional, productive, having family around you and being in a position to give back. The village elder is what’s missing. The reason we do so many stupid things today is we aren’t benefiting from the wisdom of our elders. There’s a couple of things going on there. One is your odds of dying from Alzheimer’s disease are pretty darn good. If you’re not dead from it, you spend 20 years not remembering the wisdom that you could have shared. Another one is people just don’t have enough energy to want to give back. “I’m too tired. My body hurts all the time. I’m cranky.” What’s that movie? Grumpy Old Men syndrome?

Dr. Gundry: 08:32 Grumpy Old Men. Yeah.

Dave Asprey: 08:33 It’s testosterone deficiency. We can fix that. Right? So, you keep going into these things and you realize, “Wait a minute, do I get enormous benefit?” I have at least 10 friends over 70, and you know what? They have steered me around so many problems that I would hit in my 40s that I don’t know about them because I haven’t done them yet. Well, the world needs a lot more of that if we’re going to survive as a world.

Dr. Gundry: 09:00 All right. No, you’re right. The village elder has basically disappeared. There’s a lot of books I read on philosophy of aging that the purpose of having a good old age is to actually give back your wisdom to those coming up behind. I couldn’t agree more that we’ve lost that. Like I write in Longevity Paradox, it’s no good getting old, if you can’t remember it.

Dave Asprey: 09:30 There you go.

Speaker 1: 09:33 Guest number two, Arianna Huffington.

Dr. Gundry: 09:36 Who better to talk about success than you? I mean you’ve been named Time magazine’s top 100 most influential people.

Arianna H.: 09:46 Two years into building the Huffington Post, I was the divorced mother of two teenage daughters and I had bought into the collective delusion that in order to succeed you have to be always on, you don’t have time to sleep to take care of yourself and I collapsed. I literally hit my head on my desk, broke my cheekbone, and that was the beginning of my studying all the latest science, because I’m a nerd like you and realizing that in fact all the new scientific findings make it clear that when you take care of yourself, your performance and productivity improve. It’s not just your health that improves, but your cognitive performance improves.

Arianna H.: 10:35 So, I became more and more of an evangelist. I wrote a book called Thrive and then because everybody wanted to talk about sleep, I wrote a book about sleep. Two years ago actually, I left the Huffington Post, which was a very hard decision because it was like a third child. There’s a global media company with my name on the door, but I felt that I wanted to spend 100% of the rest of my life helping people lead lives with less stress and avoiding burnout, because as you know, stress is so connected with disease and it is preventable. So, our behavior change prescriptions are all based on what we call micro steps too small to fail.

Dr. Gundry: 11:29 Okay. So, it’s the New Year. Give me an example of a micro step that you can’t fail at.

Arianna H.: 11:39 Great. Let’s say that you want to reduce your addiction to your phone and to social media and to technology, which as you know is a growing source of stress.

Dr. Gundry: 11:53 Yes.

Arianna H.: 11:54 Because we are all increasingly addicted to this thing and we find it hard to disconnect at night to go to sleep, 72% of people sleep with their phone by their bed. So, if they wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom or for whatever reason, they are tempted. Even if they tell themselves, “I’m not going to look at my phone.” if they can’t immediately go back to sleep, they go to their phone. That again, all the science tells us is incredibly disruptive to getting deep sleep.

Arianna H.: 12:29 So, one of my favorite micro steps and we have like over 700 is pick a time at the end of your day that you’d declare the end of your working day. It’s an arbitrary end, to declare an end and we declare the end by turning off our phone and charging it outside our bedroom. So, that’s a little step. It’s a ritual, but it’s very significant because you have a clear demarkation between your day life with all these challenges and problems and your night life, which should be all about recharging and reconnecting with a deeper part of ourselves.

Dr. Gundry: 13:15 Perfect. Now, my friend Dr. Mercola would say that the other reason not to have your phone by your bed is the electromagnetic waves that are constantly coming out of your phone and disrupting almost every cellular function that we have. You’re right. Sleeping with a cell phone near your bed is a really dumb idea.

Arianna H.: 13:42 Even if you turn it off and you don’t have to worry about the electromagnetic waves, it’s still a reminder of everything you have to deal with. It’s really the repository of every challenge, every problem, every demand on your time and attention. We need to disconnect from that.

Dr. Gundry: 14:04 It is amazing, at least in my humble opinion, the power of certain foods to absolutely make your brain crazy. Any mother of a four year old knows that a trip to Disneyland with simple carbohydrates, you’d get a hyperactive child who suddenly then collapses screaming and crying. You can see just immediately the power of certain foods to affect brain function. I’m sure Thrive is incorporating that into your point.

Arianna H.: 14:43 Absolutely. We have incorporated the number one Gundry rule, which is that your health depends more on what you don’t eat rather than what you eat, because people may follow different prescriptions. I mean they may be vegan, they may be meat eaters, but if they can stay away from sugar and simple carbohydrates and processed foods, that’s already a big victory. Also, as you know, this sleep movement and diet are incredibly interconnected, like I have all the science in the sleep book. That if you are sleep deprived, your body physiologically craves carbs and sugars. So, it’s not even a mental decision. It’s physiological.

Dr. Gundry: 15:45 Okay. So, let’s take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: 16:18 Guest number three, Dr. Paul Saladino.

Paul Saladino: 16:21 A carnivore diet is essentially a whole foods animal based diet. It includes no plant materials, so we’re eating, I would argue like our ancestors would eat. If you’re in the savanna or you’re in Europe and you’re hunting and you kill a deer or a buffalo, carnivore diet is eating animals nose to tail. There’s no plant material in a carnivore diet for the reasons that we will talk about the plant toxins. So, all of the animals, so muscle meat, organs, connective tissue, bones, brain, it also includes all animals, so fish, shellfish, things like just birds, but no plant material on a carnivore diet.

Dr. Gundry: 16:57 When my first book came out years ago, Dr. Gundry’s Diet Evolution, which was bought by Random House, who had done all the South Beach books and all the Atkins books, and in the first part of that program was actually a high protein diet. Then through the stages I went more and more introducing plants, but my editor wanted me to introduce grains and beans as part two of the diet. I said, “You don’t get it. Both Atkins and South Beach took away all these carbohydrates in phase one, and then they reintroduced them and then everybody gained weight. All their symptoms came back. What did they say to do? Oh, well go back phase one and eliminate all these carbohydrates again.” I said, “Don’t you get it? It was these plant materials that they were putting back in that was causing the problem in the first place.”

Dr. Gundry: 17:59 I mean the Banting diet took away carbohydrates. The Atkins diet took away. All of these diets took away carbohydrates. My contention is that they were taking away the major plant defense carbohydrates out of their system. I think one of the things that you and I just from the start so that we remained friends is … I mean this is the ultimate elimination diet in my opinion. Now the ultimate elimination diet is stop eating, which is actually very effective, but it is the ultimate elimination diet. You are getting rid of all these plant toxins. Now, this is a good step off. So you’re not saying that you can go out and eat factory raised meat, factory raised pork and have a wonderful time. I hope you’re not saying that.

Paul Saladino: 18:57 No, that’s not my intention to promote that. I think that the quality of the food we are eating and the ethics with which the animals that were eating are treated are very important. So, I’m an advocate for eating grass fed, pasture raised meats that are organic, the best meats that people can afford. We know that things like glyphosate which is also known as Roundup and other pesticides can bio accumulate in the food chain. All of the ethical environmental arguments aside, we’ll have to do a second podcast to talk about the environmental stuff, we know that grass fed agriculture is actually net carbon negative.

Paul Saladino: 19:31 There was something that came out recently with White Oak Pasture saying that they’re reducing the amount of carbon in their environment because the soil becomes so much more rich and nutrient full that it can actually sequester more carbon. So for so many reasons, the nutrition of the animals that we’re eating, the lives of the animals that we’re eating and the greenhouse gas emissions, the sort of overall balance, I’m not an advocate for factory farming. I think people should be aware of the quality of the foods they’re eating. I think glyphosate is a big deal. We can’t ignore the fact that grain fed animals are probably going to bio accumulate that in the grains they’re eating.

Dr. Gundry: 20:05 Yeah, that’s absolutely true. I think that’s one of the really scary things that we need to pay more and more and more attention to is that Roundup is sprayed on almost everything as a desiccant for harvesting. Nobody’s washing this stuff off before it’s fed to our animals, nor is it washed off before it’s put in our bread or cookies or crackers, our cereals. I think 20 years from now we’ll look back and go, “Holy cow, maybe all of this was a glyphosate problem.” We’ll find out.

Paul Saladino: 20:42 At least a big portion of it is. I mean I saw posted on social media today that in these sort of plant-based burgers, these impossible burgers have 11 times the amount of glyphosate of some of these other plant based burger. So, there are certain plant-based burgers that are particularly just riddled with these pesticides. So, people shouldn’t think that by eating fake meat, they’re going to avoid this either.

Dr. Gundry: 21:07 No, that’s true. In fact, one of the burgers I won’t mention recently changed their formula to get rid of gluten containing foods. Imagine that, a healthy plant based burger that had gluten. It’s like, “Really?”

Paul Saladino: 21:22 They’re all bad in my opinion.

Dr. Gundry: 21:24 Yeah. So many of them are based on pea protein, which I think you and I would probably agree, would not be high on our list of plant material to consume.

Paul Saladino: 21:34 So many lectins. No good.

Dr. Gundry: 21:36 I totally agree with you. See there is commonality here.

Speaker 1: 21:42 Guest number four, Dr. Joseph Mercola.

Dr. Gundry: 21:45 What started you down this path towards the keto diet and intermittent fasting? What peaked your interest?

Joseph Mercola: 21:53 Well, let me give you an example of how I changed my views. Many years ago, I thought it was foolish and that’s being kind for people who were fasting. I thought clearly the evidence is obvious that you need to eat all the time. In fact, 90% of the population according to Satchin Panda eats more than 12 hours a day, more than 12 hours. I know that’s not you. I know you have a one to two hour window frequently. Most all of us are doing the same thing, believing the same and I’ve changed that. I recognize that especially as keto started coming on board and experimenting with it. Mark Sisson taught me about metabolic flexibility. I tried it for myself and was just amazed at what it did. You’ve got to learn and adapt and really modify things as you acquire new information.

Joseph Mercola: 22:46 The basic strategy is to first become metabolically flexible, which I discussed in my previous book, Fat For Fuel, that is the primary issue where … and you do that with a simple step that doesn’t cost anything, saves you money and radically improves your health. What is that? Compress your eating window. When I give a lecture, I feel I succeeded if I can get that one single message to the audience, compress your eating window and your [inaudible 00:23:14] actually much before I understood that fact.

Joseph Mercola: 23:18 So, what’s a compressed eating window? Twelve hours which 90% people aren’t doing is not enough I think. Fourteen hours probably starts to get the benefit and I think a sweet spot is 16 to 18. I think most of us don’t have to go to your level. Actually, probably-

Dr. Gundry: 23:33 Remember, I only do that six months out of the year.

Joseph Mercola: 23:38 Yeah. Was that two hours? What’s the … then you go to four hours?

Dr. Gundry: 23:43 Yeah. So, rest of the year, I go to about 16 hours. Yeah.

Joseph Mercola: 23:48 Okay, 16 hours that’s fine. Then that’s not a big deal. I’m glad, because to do that long term, I think you’re going to run into some complications, because really one of the basic tenants of the book is to go into the cycles which were designed to, because the human species was never designed to have access to food 24/7. That wasn’t the case. So, we have to replicate that pattern if we want to maximize our biological benefits and what our genetics are designed for.

Dr. Gundry: 24:16 Yeah. No, you’re absolutely right. As you know, my new book, the Longevity Paradox also stresses exactly what you’re saying. We should be eating in circadian rhythms. There is just utmost evidence even in looking at modern hunter gatherers that there is cyclically feeding periods and there are extended periods of time where we do not eat or we eat very minimally. So, it’s this cycle that you so eloquently talk about in Keto Fast is really important.

Joseph Mercola: 24:51 The beautiful thing about it … and you know this. Once you’re fasting, the other side benefit in addition to the mental clarity is that the hunger disappears. Som if someone like you, it’s like you’re not even doing it because you normally … if you’re eating one meal, that’s it. You just lower the calorie rate. Then basically, you eat your next meal and you’re off to the races. So, it’s, you don’t even think about it. Once you had that restricted window of six to eight hours, it becomes as easy as can be.

Dr. Gundry: 25:21 It’s interesting, my research in Yale was on evolutionary human biology. One of the interesting things is, and this has been confirmed and you know that actually when you are fasting, when you’re literally starving, your performance actually increases. The reason, evolutionary wise, if we were starving, we had to catch that animal. If we didn’t catch that animal, that was curtains. That was it. So, it’s fascinating that we have a built in evolutionary advantage to perform well while fasting. It makes incredible sense just to bring it down to what people can understand. Then of course, when we caught that animal or we found the fruit tree or the honey tree, we didn’t sit there, “Oh, I’m only going to eat a little bit.” Really?

Speaker 1: 26:19 Guest number five, Bobbi Brown.

Dr. Gundry: 26:22 So, tell me about your decision to leave a brand that you helped build from the ground up and then start something totally different. I mean, what were your signs that it was time to move on?

Bobbi Brown: 26:35 Well, I was a makeup artist before I even thought of making a lipstick. I made a lipstick. I turned it into 10 lipsticks, started selling them out of my house, putting them in envelopes. My husband would mail them. After a year, I met a big, big woman who worked at Bergdorf Goodman. She took the 10 lipsticks and somehow in the next four years, our business was sold to Estee Lauder. So four years after I started the company, we sold it. I had two kids at the time. I now have a third, and it was just a super, super busy time.

Bobbi Brown: 27:14 The amazing thing was that I stayed as an employee for 22 years. I helped build that brand into $1 billion. Anyone that has worked in any kind of corporations knows I wasn’t the boss at the end of it. I wasn’t able to do what I thought, what I believed in, and I just got tired of fighting. So I said, “It’s time to be the boss again and do something else.” So, I left without knowing what I was going to do at 60 years old.

Dr. Gundry: 27:46 I left what I was great at 50 without knowing what I was going to do. Are there any tips to know when it’s time to move on, to change?

Bobbi Brown: 28:03 Well, the only tip I have is when you’re not happy, if it’s not working. I mean, that’s really it. If you don’t come to work and excited to be at work or what you’re doing is just you feel stuck, yeah, then it’s time to maybe figure out what’s going to make a change. Some people do something that we call the side hustle until they’re ready to make the change. It could be … who knows, you might be someone who knits. You decide you want to have a website that sells patterns and knitting things. You want to make granola. You want whatever it is. You know what? You’ve got to just give yourself the opportunity to figure out what makes you happy. That’s really it. What you’re passionate about. My favorite thing is, why not? What’s the worst that happens? Okay, it doesn’t work. I don’t believe in failure. I believe that when something doesn’t work out, it’s a message that says, do something else.

Dr. Gundry: 29:04 Yeah, you’re absolutely right. Even my biggest failures were huge successes in the things they taught me.

Bobbi Brown: 29:10 Right, exactly.

Dr. Gundry: 29:13 So, tell me about your new wellness platform. What inspired you to go in this direction?

Bobbi Brown: 29:19 Well, I have been a health nut pretty much my whole life. Growing up in Chicago, in the suburbs, I was not a health nut, I was a diet nut. Name a diet, Scarsdale diet, honey, oil and vinegar, did everything with my mom. I was either on or off a diet and then I realized when I moved to New York and I was working in the fashion industry, no amount of starvation was going to have me look like a supermodel and on and off a diet is dumb. So, I started to realize I feel better when I don’t eat bread. I feel better when I don’t eat cookies and sugar.

Bobbi Brown: 29:54 So, I started slowly transitioning. Then when I had my own company, I started teaching all the women not just about where to put the eyeliner or where to put the blush, but if you look good, if your skin looks good then your makeup’s going to look so much better. It’s going to be easier. So, I’ve always given back in that field. Then my ninth book is Beauty From the Inside, which is a book about what you put in your body affects your skin way more than any cream you’re going to buy out there. Creams are not going to make you look healthy. When I left Bobbi Brown Cosmetics, one of the first things I did is sign up to go to school to get my degree as a health coach from Institute of Integrative Nutrition. I’ve been hooked on it ever since.

Dr. Gundry: 30:47 That’s fantastic. Well, as you know, your intestines are actually your skin turned inside out and everything that happens on the wall of your gut is actually reflected on your skin. You’re right. So, beauty comes from within, and it’s what you put in your system that actually will be reflected out on your skin.

Bobbi Brown: 31:13 For someone like me who, yes I have very good skin, I’ve had digestive issues my whole life. I have never been able to figure out exactly what to do. It’s another reason why I’m so excited to be part of the wellness industry, because I’m always searching for ways to feel better.

Dr. Gundry: 31:34 So, is that why you decided to have a line of supplements? Was that just a natural progression of what you’d learned?

Bobbi Brown: 31:41 It was definitely, definitely. I’m not a doctor. I’m not a scientist. I’m a beauty expert and now I’m a health coach and a health fanatic. So, my line is not things that are going to change your health, they’re going to help your lifestyle so you will look and feel better.

Dr. Gundry: 32:01 Bobbi, you and I both I think agree that clean products and clean beauty is incredibly important because I talk about the seven deadly disruptors. So, can you define what do you mean by clean beauty products?

Bobbi Brown: 32:17 Well, clean beauty products are really products that don’t have these additives and chemicals and there are so many on the don’t use list. There is a great chain of beauty stores called Credo that has a list on their website that’ll tell you exactly the ones, the ingredients that you should not be putting on your face. So, I live by that. All my cleaning supplies in my house, my shampoos, my moisturizers, they’re all clean. I cannot tell you the difference. My house smells better and it just feels so much better.

Dr. Gundry: 32:57 Yeah. Most of these products have such incredible estrogen disruptors that it’s actually really scary. Recently, there was a study showing that a lot of the ingredients in sunscreens which are problematic are absorbed through our skin and can be detected in our blood and that is a really scary. So yeah, I agree. People have got to really concentrate on this because our skin is an absorptive surface. Boy, the stuff we’re putting on it is scary. So, good for you.

Bobbi Brown: 33:37 Yeah. We have to keep making sure that companies know this and hopefully that everyone will change.

Dr. Gundry: 33:43 Yeah, and I think that the informed consumer like you and I are trying our darnedest will demand changes as long as they know why they need to demand this. It’s not going to happen from the top up. It’s all got to come from below.

Dr. Gundry: 34:02 Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Before you go, I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you want to watch each episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast, you can always find me on YouTube at youtube.com/drgundry, because I’m Dr. Gundry and I’m always looking out for you.