Speaker 1 0:00
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast, where Dr. Steven Gundry shares his groundbreaking research from over 25 years of treating patients with diet and lifestyle changes alone. Dr. Gundry and other wellness experts offer inspiring stories, the latest scientific advancements and practical tips to empower you to take control of your health and live a long happy life.
Dr Gundry 0:23
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast. Well looking forward to fortifying your immune system, detoxing and increasing your mitochondrial uncoupling all while unwinding. That’s the marvel of infrared saunas. And our guest today is ready to share all the secrets. I’m here with Connie Zak co owner of sunlight and saunas, a front runner in sauna technology. In just a moment, we’ll delve into body rejuvenation and stress relief through sauna use, discussing the science behind it and how using one regularly can balance stress hormones and support pain free aging. This has got to be one of the most relaxing ways to support your health and longevity. So stay tuned, we’ll be right back. people I think have heard of saunas for a very long time. I’ve written about it a lot in my books. But what distinguishes an infrared sauna from a traditional sauna? And how does the heat differ between the two.
Speaker 3 1:35
So infrared, he’s the body directly. And traditional heats the air around you, you get hot as a result of the air. And when a traditional sauna you get hot as a result of the air being hot. With infrared, it increases your core temperature because of the way that the infrared is absorbed and penetrated into the body works with the cells in a completely different way.
Dr Gundry 2:04
So you don’t have to go to Norway or Finland. To experience the I mean recognized benefits of sauna with this technology. Correct? I want to talk about sauna in general. But I’ve been fascinated with infrared sauna technology for a very long time. Why would you prefer one or the other? Or they’re both great in their own? Right? And talk us through all that?
Speaker 3 2:37
Yeah, that’s a great question. So for me, I I like infrared, the feeling of the experience when you get inside. So when you get in, it definitely is warm, for sure. But it’s not the feeling of excessive heat in your face. And so you are kind of motto here at sunlight and you know, it’s life is meant to be enjoyed not endured. And so part of a sunlight and experiences it is enjoyable, you shouldn’t have for me, it shouldn’t be the experience of like, oh my gosh, I you know, how many minutes do I have left? You know, you should really enjoy your split. Because if you really really enjoy your experience, then you’re going to become a habit. And that’s that’s the goal is that everybody should you know use their, their their influence on other sunlight and sauna as much as possible. And when they enjoy it, and they get great results, then they’ll use it more. So that’s me, there’s lots of different reasons but experience in itself because a lot of people can relate to that feeling of heat, you know, in the face. And then also I’ll speak to because that the difference with the heat experience is similar to like going to the day at the beach. You know, usually at the end of the day, you’re wiped you’re exhausted similar to a traditional sauna. A lot of times it just zaps you, right? Yeah, and with a sunlight and sauna actually restores energy. And there’s, you know, the way that the Wavelink works with your body, it increases your ATP level, it really causes an increase in energy. So when you’re done you feel I always say I always feel like I’m gonna go out and conquer the world and solve the world’s problems. So it’s great.
Dr Gundry 4:25
That’s a very interesting point you really better enjoy the experience. Otherwise you’re probably not going to do it very often. And I know a lot of people understand the potential and real benefits of ice therapy ice cold plunges cold showers yet, for the vast majority of people that is not exactly a pleasant experience. And so as much as we know the science is pretty doggone good. You probably Billy’s not going to do that very often most people, most people, and on the other hand, I think what you’re saying is, hey, if if this is actually a good experience for you, and you are not suffering to get a benefit, then you’re probably you’re right, you’re probably going to do it more often.
Speaker 3 5:21
Yes. And there’s a lot of things which we can talk about. I mean, there’s a lot of things that you can do like call up habit stacking, or sweat, stacking two different things, but you can stack different things that you’d like to do. While you’re inside your sunlighten. It’s, it’s, I find it a challenge, like if I go every year and you’ll I go to Mexico on a Business Women’s Business trip, and they don’t have a you know, an infrared sauna there. So I will, you know, step into the regular sauna, the traditional sauna for like, five or 10 minutes. And it’s, I find it difficult to habit stack. And there’s hard to do other things I have tried in a traditional sauna to do some yoga, but I just get really hot, and it’s just a different experience. We’re in sunlight, and you can, you can meditate, you can do yoga, you can do I love huge fan of deep breathing, huge. And you can stretch, you know, you can have great conversations, you know, but you can be social and catch up with your kids or catch up with your spouse or you know, so that’s another example too.
Dr Gundry 6:32
And you can even do light therapy in a sunlight and sauna.
Speaker 3 6:35
Yeah, now you can. Now you can do red light therapy, which we can talk about as well, which is super exciting. You’ve always been able to do invisible light therapy with a near infrared, not always, but for the past 15 years, that we just recently introduced a new product on the market. So that’s super exciting.
Dr Gundry 6:56
Many people when they hear oh, Near Infrared, or near infrared technology there. And you said, Well, it’s going to heat you that has nothing to do with sitting in a microwave. Right?
Speaker 3 7:14
Correct. Correct. The infrared spectrum itself is a small spectrum. It’s a national spectrum that comes from the sun. Without any of the harmful rays, there is no UV and we get that question a lot. There’s no micro, there’s no, there’s no rays that are in there that are that are harmful to you. In fact, I call it out of the entire light spectrum from the sun. It is the healing spectrum.
Dr Gundry 7:41
And give us a little history of all this. How was this discovered? How did fake people figure out? I know there’s a lot of information about the depth of penetration of near infrared. And, you know, what are the benefits of each depth? Walk us through that?
Speaker 3 8:00
Yeah. So all first maybe like before I walk you through, let me give a just a quick backstory to why I’m even interested, because I get that question a lot. So my brother was really sick, chronically sick, when he was young, for many, many years, tried everything. Nothing worked until his dentist noticed that he had mercury fillings and said, You know what, Jason, maybe the mercury is leaking into your body. And you need to, you know, find a way to get it out. He had tried all sorts of invasive ways, nothing worked. And his dad just said, I have read some articles in science regarding infrared, and that it can detoxify the body. And so that was kind of the start of everything changed his life. And a couple of years later, you know, I got involved and decided to leave my job at Procter and Gamble in the pharmaceutical division. Because when all the research I had done in the medical libraries, there’s great science, there was great science back then this is 25 years ago, oh my goodness. And all the science, most of the science was was really robust in that cardiovascular world, which is actually what I was said what I was doing on the sales and marketing side at p&g, and the pharmaceutical so I was very familiar with that. And I know how hard it is on the pharmaceutical side to develop products that help your heart without adversely affecting other parts of your body. And it’s just really hard to make a change in your body with medication. So when I saw all the data that was already out there that was in Asia at the time, I really wanted to bring all that data and science to the naddis United States and then put some more meat, you know, on the bones as far as more science or studies, you know, find a product that I was aesthetically pleasing that again, people would enjoy being in it wasn’t because back then there was just these little boxes that you just you did, but you didn’t really enjoy it, you know. And so that’s what I left my corporate world to, to do 25 Oh my gosh, years ago. So that’s the backstory. As far as the spectrum itself, there are three different parts, there’s far infrared, mid infrared, and near infrared. And far infrared is the coolest of the three. And that is really responsible for being absorbed into your body, and vibrating your water molecules making a big, big huge difference with increasing your core temperature. And ultimately, there’s your detoxification element, mid infrared is hotter. And it’s really good for decreasing inflammation, we talked about the introduction, talking about pain free life, the far infrared helps with pain to at the deeper level, mid infrared helps it at the tissues. Inflammation is great for muscle recovery. And then near is the shortest is super short wavelength, and it’s so hot, because it’s the hottest, you have to in order to get an effective amount of near infrared, you have to convert it to LEDs, and which is what we we did and we when we launched this product, we launched it with the invisible part of the spectrum. And then just recently, we’ve introduced now the visible part, which is the red light part of the spectrum. So we essentially now have a product that has four different parts of the infrared spectrum, all with different healing mechanisms, different mechanisms of actions, and ultimately different results in different impact on the body.
Dr Gundry 11:59
Dumb question, but I’m sure my listeners want to know, do you choose those spectrums? Or, you know, oh, man, I want to a short spectrum today or I want to deep spectrum? Or do you just blend them all together?
Speaker 3 12:16
That is a great question. It’s not time at all. It’s really, really great. So we when we were designing this product, we wanted essentially a way to have an easy button so that people didn’t have to think about it. So we developed scientifically, we access a lot of studies that were already out there, because there’s a lot of already data on all three wavelengths, and how it can help with the body. It’s just nobody have brought it to the forefront. So we did all we worked with a lot of physicians and scientists on how do we take the science that’s already out there with far infrared, mid infrared, near infrared, replicate the delivery, and then put it together into a program that’s based on science. So we have six different programs that are available, you know, heart health, anti aging, relaxation, detoxification, and pain relief. And then you just press the one that you want. And it’s all all the hard work is all been done behind the scenes, it’s in the brain of the sauna. And so when you press cardio, for example, for heart health, then the different wavelengths will fire up and start to activate. And the what makes sunlight and sauna one of the things that makes us really unique is while we’re offering all these different wavelengths, we’re offering all of them independently. So you’re you’re getting and we do have a product that has a blend of as well amplify but the impulse of one that we’re talking about, which is our smart Santa, that has farm for a separately, mid infrared, separately near infrared separately, and then now introducing the red light therapy. So we’re able to behind the scenes, to turn those on and off, turn up the power on each of them maximum, you know, Max them out, depending on the science that says you know, like for example, anti aging, and we’ll use that for an example. So when it comes to the skin, the skin it’s really best for the skin not to have a high amount of heat for 40 minutes like that’s just not what’s really what’s best. So for for anti aging, we only use a little bit of red near and far and there’s no mid because mid gets really hot. So that’s just one example. So we’ve done all the recipes for you. You don’t have to think about it and on and if you want you can press custom and you can do your own if you’re you know so inclined. And you can absolutely do that. Or you could just turn it on preset. And like not press any programs. I mean, there’s different lots of different options to choose from. But the programs are fantastic. I highly, highly recommend them. And then there’s also the duration is preset as well. So you’ll tell you how much how many minutes are left in your program, etc? Well, do
Dr Gundry 15:20
I have to, you know, get my sauna up and running for get the temperature up for three hours before I can even use it. And that’s a pain in the neck? Because how do I know you know when I’m going to use it? Maybe I just want to hop in? Yeah, what do you do? That’s a
Speaker 3 15:37
great question. And Dr. Hamblin, who is a recent medical director of sunlighten wimps, we’re so honored. And I just am so humbled by the fact that, you know, he works with us, he is really educated us on here. I mean, he is the expert, the world expert on infrared. And he strongly says, Turn the sauna on and get it. So a lot of people don’t, they don’t want to do that. They want it to be really, you know, warm when they when they get it. And so that’s a personal preference. But scientifically, when the sauna is at the lowest temperature, because if you think about infrared, you think about how it’s working with the body. Remember at the beginning, I said that infrared is absorbed into the body, you know, versus being in the air. Yeah, right. So the absorption comes from the longer wavelengths and the cooler wavelengths, because it’s easier to get into the body as when that when the sonic gets really, really hot for really, really long like those than the wavelength shortens, it gets choppier. And it’s really difficult to get as much as possible. So you’re gonna get that maximum amount. Right when you get in.
Dr Gundry 16:54
Well, that’s good to hear. Yeah, cuz, again, you want people to use something. And if you, you know, if you have to pre heat the oven for an hour, but that’s kind of a dumb idea. Yeah. I think that’s really important for people to understand you’re not using this to heat the air. You’re using this to heat you. And it’s a big, big difference. Now, you mentioned you mentioned the cardiovascular program. And since I’m, you know, kind of interested in the cardiovascular system, can you say that, let’s suppose I want to get the benefits of of running a 10k? Can I hop into your sauna, and get the benefits of a say running a 10k just sitting there, come on, help me out, come on.
Speaker 3 17:46
Absolutely. And what is wonderful about sunlight in the infrared is it is a exercise, mimetic so it really copies what exercise does for you, because it provides passive Cavitt cardiovascular benefits. So we know that it’s going to increase your core temperature, you’re going to feel and there’s many times when I’m in there are, you know, my heart rate goes up, and I feel I can tell that my system is being activated. I’m not just while I really work on deep breathing, and you know, a lot of just really, really intense relaxation, like, that’s kind of my reset time. However, if, if I’m in there, and I’m doing also do brainstorming, and just really great for getting the brain to just be more to get rid of the mind fog, and just really be to have the brain more sharp. So I’ll do that as well. And when I do that, it’s a better example. That’s when I really am like, oh my gosh, this is like a workout. And it’s really great on that same 10k note. So it’s also really great to, to do like if I am a runner. And so if I go for a run, then I will always come back and sit, you know, inside my sunlighten for however long amount of time I have, just to keep my heart rate up to keep it going. Because there’s definitely a benefit of stacking the two together. You know,
Dr Gundry 19:15
we had head of the DNA company on a few months ago, and we did my DNA. And he said, Oh, man, you know, you’re, you’re screwed. You do not detox well, and running was probably the stupidest thing you could possibly do. And I was a runner, and he says, You know what a dumb thing is you. You can’t detox all those damage that you do while running. And what you just said I think is a very important point. In a lot of ways running is not good for you and don’t don’t get me started. My wife was a marathon runner and we made her stop anyhow. But I think your point is well taken, you can get maybe the psychological benefit of running, and then hop in the sauna and actually get the repair work done that you might have caused damage from the running. So yeah,
Speaker 3 20:18
exactly. And you can the other benefit that I’ve noticed, because I’ve actually scaled back the, the miles, you know that I go. And so now because because I will add on the sauna, so it’s, so it kind of lengthens my active without harming you know, my my muscles and joints. And so I’ll what I’ll do is if I want that runner’s X, like kind of just the release that one of the reasons I do it, then I will go a shorter amount of time. And I’ll just increase my pace. And then I cut my round short, and then I come back and I use my sunlight and sauna. And that’s been a it’s been a fantastic I love that. I love when I do that. Because it’s, it’s like, it’s, you know, it’s intense. And then I come back. And then depending on whether I’m gonna work in the sauna, or I’m gonna meditate and relax, then I’ll go through that is and I feel like a million bucks when I’m done,
Dr Gundry 21:23
as opposed to being drained. Correct? Ya know, I
Speaker 3 21:27
always have, so my head is always so much clearer. You know, in fact, I’ve started, I’ve given a lot of the people in my networks and some tips, because they’re like, what, what are you doing here, and they’re like, one of the things that I’ve started doing is I keep a pad of paper in there. Because I’ve noticed that when I go in, in loss, I’m focusing on you know, meditation, because that’s not good. But if I’m not, my head just gets really clear. And I start to think of all these wonderful ideas, and there’s great, like, my creativity just is fantastic. When I’m in the sauna, so then I you know, I jot down everything while I’m in there, because I don’t you know, I don’t want to get out and forget it. So yeah, I feel I really enjoy that. The mental clarity aspect, as well
Dr Gundry 22:19
talk us through the science of how all this helps fatigue helps. Stress. I mean, clearly, we can say, oh, you know, it helps. But you’re right, there’s 20 odd years of science behind this, what’s what’s, what are one or more of the underlying mechanisms that have been found that this works on.
Speaker 3 22:52
So one, just we’ll just talk to touch on hormesis, for example, and for people who don’t know what Macy’s is, you know, it changes that put stress on the body in a in a good way. Meaning that it’s changing, it’s like, okay, there’s an example everybody can understand. It’s like, when you lift weights, you know, and, or you do something athletic, and you’re sore afterwards, right? And you’re like, oh, but what that’s good. I can always say that to my kids, like, I’m so sorry. Like, that’s great. Because you’re you’re you’re changing the body and making it stronger and healthier. And that’s what farmacias does to the body. And that’s what the infrared will do for the body is the science has shown like we will increase your body’s core temperature, increasing your body’s core temperature by up to three degrees is extremely powerful on the body extremely, and it is the pathway for so many other benefits for making your heart healthy for you know, increasing the the blood flow for increasing circulation. It’s also helpful for removing toxic elements. I mean, we could talk forever about all of that. But that’s just to answer your direct question. That’s one of probably my favorite pathways. My favorite thing that the sauna does,
Dr Gundry 24:10
yeah, I write in the books and the famous Nietzsche quote that which doesn’t kill me makes me stronger. And I got very interested in what’s called Heat Shock proteins in heart surgery, and we found that if we basically cut off the flow of blood to a region of the heart for a minute, and then let the blood flow back in, we would actually release what were what are called Heat Shock proteins. And basically a sauna is activates heat shock proteins. And we then found that we could cut off the flow of blood to the heart for an hour, and it would act as if nothing happened to it. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was that powerful. So that’s how I got into a long time ago. Heat Shock proteins and the benefits of sauna. And so just like we know that cold therapy, yes activates actually heat shock proteins in the exact opposite way. Heat Shock proteins, as I’ve learned through the years uncouple mitochondria, but we don’t have to talk about that today. uncoupling mitochondria is a really good for you, and that it’s actually what this does so,
Speaker 3 25:26
right, yeah, it makes you, I mean, it makes your cells essentially makes your cells stronger, and healthier. And so that’s ultimately, you know, it was we talked about living a higher quality of life, you know, as you’ve increased the quantity of life, nobody wants to live, you know, to be really old with and feel horrible, right? Like you want to, you know, you want to have that vitality and that energy and so you take care of your body, and one of the greatest ways to take care of your body is take care of yourselves, and or the grace way, take care of yourselves, as you know, expose it to infrared, and the more wavelengths of infrared, the better it will be.
Dr Gundry 26:08
Another benefit of saunas that maybe you can put some science behind is stress reduction, Are there studies showing that it actually does help mitigate stress or change stress levels or perception of stress? Stress
Speaker 3 26:27
is a lot of older studies on exercise, right? And so we didn’t, we talked about exercise and how exercise can help with stress levels. And you know, and change your cortisol and it’s and, and we know that sauna, use it, again, is an exercise mimetic so meaning that it copies the benefits of exercise without the cardiovascular activation on your, on your physical body. So you’re not, you know, running and putting the pound in your body. So, you there definitely is a similarity on stress between exercise and sauna, and you. I mean, for sure, you know, when you’re done, and I just think about, like, my session, you’re when you’re done, you just, you know, you’re so much more relaxed. And you know, your actual physical body, you know, you’ve increased your circulation and you’ve increased your oxygenation. And so that just that whole flow of you can talk great about like, probably blood flow, like, you know, how it impacts blood flow and why blood flow. healthy blood flow matters, you know, and and how that helps with stress. And that’s one of the benefits of using your sauna, for sure.
Dr Gundry 27:49
Is there any time of day that’s better to use a sauna or not so good to use a sauna?
Speaker 3 27:57
That’s a wonderful question. I get that all the time. And the answer is really personal preference. It’s how I always answer that question is, it depends on what is your GA Do you have like a goal for the for using, you know, your your sauna like is, is it I have, personally, I use myself as an example, I like to use mine in the morning, I like to do all my exercise and activations all of that in the morning, because I want to jumpstart my day. So I want to go through my intentions, I want to go through my goal, I want to go through all that and using my son as one of the tools to do that now and it gets it gets everything going. It’s just a Katy rhythm going. Some people like to do it at night, because that’s part of their routine, you know, your body is very, you know, responds to routine for sure. And so if that’s part of it, you know, then that body starts to understand, Okay, starting to wind down, I get it like this is kind of wind on time. So it really just depends or, you know, I mean, my ultimate tip to people who are trying to, you know, figure out when, yeah, I would just, I would say, when is it or you can make it a habit number one, and second is don’t like it’s better to do a little bit than not at all. So if you don’t have you know, you have a crazy morning or whatever, and yeah, you know, then that’s okay, like you do it, do it when you can, as much as you can. Don’t stress like this should not be a stressful thing of oh my gosh, when do I schedule it in? It’s really whatever you can for as long as you can.
Dr Gundry 29:46
Are there studies showing you know how, okay, how long they have to do it? I mean, Can I Can I jump in and get a five minute treatment? Probably not. Should you know do I need a half hour Do I need an hour or should I lock myself in there? For half a day, where where do these? Where do we get the benefit?
Speaker 3 30:04
Yeah, the benefits, they usually fall between 30. And like 40 call it five to round up minutes, like our programs and the impulse smart sauna all range between those exact timeframes for that exact reason. So I think the sweet spot in general, if you’re not doing a program, or if you’re using one of our other, you know, infrared saunas that just have all the way links, the sweet spot is 40 minutes, that’s like, if there’s a perfect time, that to me is a perfect time, the the, the, the, the zone between 30 and 40, that 10 minute interval, I have found over many, many years that that’s kind of your zone, it could be to use like runners language, you know, hey, I’m, all of a sudden you like it, the first mile, whatever, first 10 minutes, or first five minute, whatever run is like really difficult. And then you get into a zone and it starts to feel comfortable. That’s between minute 30 minute 40 For the majority of people. So the great thing is you don’t have to think about it, like I just go in and put, you know, I started the program. And then when the program is done, I’m done. Or if I have to cut the program short, and I get out and again, I think it’s not I think I know it’s better to at least start and get as much in there as you can then to say, Oh, I don’t have enough time to do the whole thing. So I’m not going to do it. That’s that’s not that’s not smart.
Dr Gundry 31:28
Oh, question is okay, can you use this too much was just enough? Do I need to do it once a week, twice a day? Help us out on the spectrum?
Speaker 3 31:41
Yeah. So you need to hydrate. So that’s the number one thing like when you say too much, my caution, because you’re going to be sweating, right. And depending on what’s going on in your life, you know, you could be sweating out. Mercury could be I mean, you could be having a very efficient, you know, detoxification session. And so you need to make sure you replenish the body, you know, hydration and potentially some, you know, electrolytes, whatever, you know, that you’re, you’re releasing from your body. So that as long as you hydrate and listen to your body, I mean, if you go in five consecutive days, and you know, you feel lightheaded, for example, you know, then then scale back, you know, but there’s no, there’s really no evidence of doing too much as long as you hydrate, we have the programs for a guide. So that that way people know, okay, 30 to 45 minutes is a really good range, I can do a little bit less, if I have hour, I can do a little bit more. And as far as too little. Again, I like and I use the analogy of exercise, can you exercise too little, you know, more acts like more walking is better than normal walking, moving the body, it’s the same thing. It’s exactly the same way to think about it.
Dr Gundry 33:11
All right, you mentioned another point. So who, who should use a song. And the follow up to that is, are there things that we should look out for triggers are the things we ought to be worried about.
Speaker 3 33:28
So number one, hydration is what you should look out for you should hydrate before you go in, for sure, you should hide your I always hydrate when I’m in there. And then definitely after, if you don’t want to do it while you’re in there, because some people don’t want to do that, then find them just do it after. So that’s number one. As far as people that shouldn’t sauna, if you’re pregnant, not a good idea, because it increases your core temperature. And so any, if anybody has a known sensitivity to increase your cord, you know, if something happens, you know, negatively to your body when your core temperature is increased when you have a better way to say that for people listening probably is when you’ve experienced a fever, does something bad happened to you? You know, if that happens, then you probably want to, you know, either use it, you know shorter periods of time so that you’re not, you know, in there because we know we’ve increased the body’s core temperature in 30 minutes. And then also, I always caution people that caution is not the right word. Educate people on children, because children’s metabolism and their whole their whole body is so much healthier, like should say healthier, but it’s just like everything is faster, you know, their metabolism, everything so they don’t need to be in there as long. And here is what I have learned. I have to Boys. And I’ve I used to do a lot of work with Dr. Rachel West and autism, I’ve learned that kids know their bodies really, really well. And they have this natural intuition they know when to get out. They know when enough is enough. And that’s, that’s my biggest advice to parents is listen to your kids, they’ll tell you
Dr Gundry 35:22
so it’s, it’s okay. There’s not a warning, no one under two, three years old, you’re never going on. No one over 80 should ever go in a song.
Speaker 3 35:35
No, there’s no warnings on age. What if you’re not
Dr Gundry 35:39
into sweating? Is there a way to use this experience? Or is that purpose to just get soaking wet?
Speaker 3 35:48
If you’re not into sweat, then I would 100% recommend getting in right when you turn it on. Because it takes a while for your body, you know, to increase your car temperatures to make a change. So if you don’t want that glistening glow, look, you just don’t want to, you know, have that experience, which you know, that’s everybody’s personal preference, then you will still get the benefit of the infrared when you turn it on. And then still stay in there as long as you can until you start to notice. Uh oh. Okay. You know, like, I remember. What year was that? 2009? Yes. 2009 We were on The Oprah Winfrey Show. And, and the sauna. When Oprah went into the cabin was she went in there our sauna with Dr. Oz, and it was on they wanted the producers wanted it to be on like, I wanted to be like a legit live, you know, experience. And so they go in and you know, Dr. Oz starts talking about the benefits. And then she starts, right? She starts to have that experience. She’s like, Oh, okay, I’m starting to feel, you know, friend start to feel sweaty. So, which was awesome. I mean, it was, you know, it was it was great. But yeah, when, when that has starts to happen if you want and then she got out, you know, if you don’t want that, those beads of sweat and you don’t want to deal with whatever, then then just get out. But you it’s still good to get in there. Even if you don’t sweat.
Dr Gundry 37:28
Yeah, things will be happening before you actually raise your order.
Speaker 3 37:34
Exactly, exactly. You’re gonna start that whole biochemical cascade of benefits into your body. And that’s what you ultimately want. So it is 100% Fine. If you don’t, I mean, there’s times where I go in, and I actually don’t, I don’t sweat a lot, you know, for, like, lots of different reasons. And that’s okay. Don’t don’t I mean, I always just said, Don’t stress like, Don’t overthink this. We’ve worked really hard to like press the easy button on the programs and develop it. So it’s all done for you to see you just need we just need you to get it. That’s it. You know, the rest of take should take care of itself.
Dr Gundry 38:19
You guys have been working at this sunlighten sauna for a very long time. A long time. Oh, come on Asana. Asana is Asana what differentiates sunlighten Sauna?
Speaker 3 38:31
Yeah, we haven’t talked about that. So Oh, lots of different things. I will make this as succinct as possible, because there’s many different things. So number one, you know, it’s all about the psi hands. Like that’s, that’s, you know, we might want to make sure that anything that we do, it’s we have researched the scientific evidence, you know, to support it, you know, we will also obviously incorporate anecdotal evidence and, you know, testimonials etc. But we really want it because it’s a very difficult wavelength. To, to master. I mean, it’s really hard. There’s specific frequencies or specific quantity, I mean, I won’t go into all that stuff, but the materials that change the frequency it’s it’s, it’s a lot of excuse me, it’s a lot of hard work behind the scenes. So we have we have mastered the science and when we brought brought it to the market place for our customers so number one, it would be that the second is we have patented all of our unique products and the why that matters for people is that the peace of mind factors they don’t have to wonder am I get something better for less money someplace else, you know, is no answer. No, you know, we we’ve done all the, you know, hard work and You’re guaranteed you’re getting the most amount of infrared, you’re now getting, you know, for in the impulse smart Saturday, you’re getting four separate wavelengths of this magical healing, you know, spectrum into your body at different levels at different frequencies. It’s fantastic, then that you talk about the quality of materials, and the safety of the materials. That’s something that makes us really unique. We also our purpose, as a company is to bring light hope and happiness to people everywhere, so they can do more of what they love. But the people they love to do it with. So like, our purpose behind what we do is to really help people live their most full life and be as healthy as possible, ultimately, you know, leave the world a healthier place as a result of what we do.
Dr Gundry 40:51
How long have you guys been around
Speaker 3 40:53
for 20? Next year will be our 25th year in business. So it’s been?
Dr Gundry 41:01
Oh, you didn’t do this yesterday?
Speaker 3 41:05
No, there was no craze. Dr. Gundry. There is no craze there. People didn’t even know what infrared was when we started in really a lot of people this was before. I mean, they had those a sauna tradition, of course in Finland, and you know, but there are still a lot of people that really weren’t sauna fans in general. Because that just because not a lot of people have a finished sauna in their home, right? Like, it’s just not, you know, so it’s completely different world today and different market and different conversations than it was 20 years ago, for sure.
Dr Gundry 41:44
Joseph Mercola years ago used to say, Wow, get yourself a big cardboard box from a refrigerator. And buy yourself for infrared light bulbs is a hardware store that you add and put them up in the corner. And presto change o you know, have an infrared sauna. Be careful because it might burn down. And number two, don’t get too close to the ball because you’ll burn your Jesus out of it. And he used to say, Hey, folks, you know, it’ll work just fine. What’s a you?
Speaker 3 42:25
Well, so, any? I actually love that question because I always say any sauna, any, any form of heat, any form of light. Any form can be an infrared sauna, if you want to go there, because it’s infrared is all around us. So I mean, you could like literally like, you know, I could put you know, like a little thing around me here without my you know, sunlighten back then we’re like, Okay, I’m taking an infrared sauna. So is that going to start the biochemical cascade of benefits? Is that going to increase your core temperature? Is that going to change? You know, your oxygen, your blood flow? You know, the all the different things that we’ve talked about your energy levels? No, probably not. So the difference between a generic infrared experience you know, generic infrared sauna, versus a you know, sunlighten infrared sauna is we maximize the amount the quantity and the quality so we are delivering the highest amount of infrared into the body at the highest quality, the right frequency, the right tipping point. So if you think about listening to Spotify, or Spotify, but if you’re listening to you know, in the old days people listen to the radio, like people don’t listen to radio anymore. But there’s say a session was 98.1 You know, right? Right. So if you chime in if you turn it to 98.5 You’re not going to receive you know the same sound and the you know, music that you are at 98 pole one so any with any with water with any type of element, there is a frequency there is an amount there’s a tipping point that where it becomes most effective, right? We know that for sure. And that’s what we have done is the highest quality, which is the tipping point, you know, with the highest quantity and that’s where we have a patent so you can’t get more for less anywhere else at a lower price. And that’s really what makes you know sunlighten You know difference is just the most effective highest quality product with a peace of mind that it really is. Because it’s not just don’t don’t just don’t take my word for it like I you know, I’m I always say that because I’m like the biggest skeptic and I remember when my brother was really sick, and I remember it so well. And he was like, oh my god, this is like changing my life. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Like to me like nothing, you know, you know nothing is working for you. Right? Right, exactly.
Dr Gundry 45:16
But no, you’re right. There’s there’s absolutely really good science on this and it gets even more detailed with every passing year. And that’s why I want to have you on the program. You know, Saunas are not inexpensive. Are there? Are there ways around this? Are there spawning gyms, for example? I mean, are your products in gyms,
Speaker 3 45:40
you know, I was just listening to a podcast the other day that she was, like she said, was Dr. Leif or anyway, they, she said, You know, I would challenge anyone, if they really want to find an infrared sauna, and they say there’s nothing about, it’s just like, I would make a challenge to that. Because it’s like, if you really want to go somewhere, you could, you could, you know, Google and find a place where you could use an infrared sauna. Now, with that said, we have worked really hard over the years, one of our biggest intentions at sunlighten is access right? To making sure that we provide as much access as possible part of access is cost. And so we do have a model sculpts, probably one of my favorites, it’s called the sunlight and so low, that is a one person, you know, lie down model. And that is extremely effective. Actually, that’s the product where the initial core temperature study was done, there was a clinical trial with the University of Missouri Kansas City, on lowering blood pressure was done with that particular product. So it’s, it’s, you’re not sacrificing, right, you’re not sacrificing anything to get a smaller model. That’s lower cost. You know, as long as you get from sunlighten, there’s, we have what four, we have four different series of products that have you know, different, different wavelengths for different reasons. And there’s a cost associated, of course, with all of that, you know, we also have a wand, that’s a handheld, near infrared one that has invisible light, as well as some of the colored lights, if you just really want to get started, you know, you can do that, as you know, it’s less than $500. You know, I mean, it’ll take you a while to, you know, to get all over the body and to do but we’re all about however we can get you started with a solo is a great option for people that don’t have the space that don’t want to spend a lot, you know, and it’s it, you literally can put it in a corner. It’s telescopic, so it doesn’t fold. But it the lower dome melds are like crashes into collapses into the upper dome. And so it you know, you can push it in a corner, it’s like two feet by three feet. You know? Yeah, it’s really easy. It’s a great solution.
Dr Gundry 48:13
Probably one of our listeners says every day I am inundated with a sauna blanket offer help us out? Should we? Should we click on grab one of those sauna blankets and wrap ourselves up in it? Or what do you think
Speaker 3 48:30
I would recommend using the sunlight and solo first, for lots of different reasons. One of them is just the materials that the blankets are made with their you know about, like plastic nature, you know that you can see them when you see it, you know. And so, you know, you combine that plastics with heat, and then you’re getting it into the skin. I just don’t really feel like that’s a really great idea to make your body healthier. Does it feel good? You know, maybe, if you really, you know, we also have a solo pad which is heated you know, if you really want to go that route and that pad contains our patented heaters that give you the highest quality of you know, far infrared heat. So, you know, that’s that’s an option as well. Yeah. I still recommend the solo but because you know, you’re going to increase your courtship. For me, it’s, again, it goes back to the natural skeptic, it goes back to the peace of mind is I don’t want to be like in there thinking, is this really helping me or am I doing more harm than good? I don’t want to have all that mind chatter, right. The whole goal is to like, get your mind free and clear and have more energy.
Dr Gundry 49:46
Great news is you guys have done the researcher. Yeah, you you, you published studies. All right. I gotta let you go. But
Speaker 3 49:57
this has been so fun. Thank you so much. for having me, I really enjoyed
Dr Gundry 50:02
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Speaker 3 50:07
We do we do. We love your listeners. And I’ve heard so many great things from this online team about you. So I’m so honored to be here with you we are passing along a discount up to $600 off. Please make sure when you come, you know, you mentioned you know where you heard they mentioned that this this podcast, Dr. Gundry. And we will give you up to $600 Discount dependent and up to six centers depends on which model. And
Dr Gundry 50:37
you know, I and I want my listeners to know that I actually now have a sunlighten Sauna. And actually tomorrow is going to be my initial my initial run we we’ve had which is not your problem. My problem with Wi Fi getting in there, but we’re gonna give it its run tomorrow. So standby I’m going to be posting on Instagram and I can’t wait, either. I’m so excited. So excited. Audience question, I get this question all the time you say I should have a handful of nuts if I’m beginning to start time controlled eating you say this doesn’t break the fast can you explain? Well, that’s a great question and something that I talked about in my last two books including unlocking the Kido code. My colleague, Dr. Valter Longo from the Longevity Center at USC has shown any humans following an overnight fast following a time restricted eating program, that eating a nut bar, which is company manufactures, which is basically nuts, does not drop participants out of ketosis. In fact, there’s absolutely no difference compared to not eating anything, and ketosis continues until the true break fast happens at about noon. So with that in mind with a human trial showing that having a handful of nuts does not break ketosis, I find it a really effective way to ease yourself into a six to eight hour eating window without the pain. Now it’s time for the review of the week from traveling with love on YouTube. Thank you, Dr. Gundry, and team very much for sharing your thoughts and wisdom filled videos always intelligent and educational, outstanding. And there’s lots of exclamation points greetings from California. I wish you and your folks good health success and happiness much love. Well thank you travel with love. This is a team effort. And while you see me in front of the camera, you should know that there is a huge support staff working behind the scenes right behind the cameras helping me give you the information that I think you need to have a better life and let you make intelligent decisions on the information out there.
Speaker 1 53:03
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