Dr. Steven Gundry:
Dave, welcome back. It’s great to see you again my friend,
Dave Asprey:
Dr. Gundry. I really appreciate getting a chance to just share ideas with you.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
As a person who has an admitted monkey brain, traditional meditation can take years to master and can be incredibly frustrating. How the heck are you going to biohack speeding up the process?
Dave Asprey:
Number one, take antibiotics so your gut bacteria will stop controlling your-
Dr. Steven Gundry:
That’s a different podcast, Dave.
Dave Asprey:
Just kidding, and if you’re listening, that was truly a joke. Just honoring Dr. Gundry’s work on the gut. Well, quieting the mind is something that they’ll tell you, and I’ve done this around the world in monasteries and with monks over the last 20 years, in addition to looking at physical and mental performance. How do I be happy? The normal thing is cross your legs, sit in uncomfortable posture, and then visualize the Buddha. You can spend hours a day meditating. In fact, advanced zen practitioners do and many other, like TM for instance, an area you know very well. I just don’t have a couple hours a day to do that.
My teachers say, “Well, make a couple hours a day,” and I can and I have, I’m also a dad, so if I spend two hours meditating, it’s two hours I’m not parenting. I became probably obsessed would be the right word, with what’s really going on in there. It turns out there are many different techniques that make meditation work faster. Different types of meditation are designed to put you in different altered states. High performance is an altered state. Creativity is an altered state. Healing is a very altered state.Some of these sacred transformational states are also altered states.
All of them can be induced by meditation or meditation plus other things and sometimes other things instead of meditation. My goal is to learn how to get to the state I want to be in as fast as possible so that I can show up better for my community, for myself, for the world. I think everyone shares that desire, but we have this idea that I should spend two hours a day in zone two cardio. I spend two hours a day meditating and two hours a day in my cold plunge. That’s too much, but okay, well, when do you get to live? Yeah, and that’s a real challenge.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
When do you get to write this book?
Dave Asprey:
Yeah, that’s why Heavily Meditated is a thing because most people listening to this, they have more things in their life than they have minutes and they deeply require peace. At a minimum, you just want the monkey voice in your head to shut the hell up and it will, and it can, and it doesn’t require decades.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
All right, so take us through, I know you’ve explored a lot of techniques through the years, neurofeedback, EEG technology, do brainwaves actually impact mental performance?
Dave Asprey:
Brainwaves are fundamental to mental performance, and there’s four or five main types of brainwaves that we study, but it drives me crazy. You’ll see people out there saying, “I’m going to go into an alpha state. I’m going to go into a gamma state.” That’s exactly like saying I’m going to make a noise at the B note or the C note. Well, was it a good noise? Was it classical music? Was it orderly or was it just chaotic static? The fact that it’s a certain brainwave doesn’t matter if the brainwaves aren’t interacting in a symphony with each other. One of the things that affects that is the health of your body, and the other one is how the heck do you learn how to do that?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Yeah.
Dave Asprey:
Well, I spent the time in the monasteries and I’ve been to South America and the Himalayas and the Andes and studied with many different masters. Each of them has their own techniques and most of them involve one of two things. The normal one is sit there and visualize whatever, and they’re going to watch you and they’re going to use their third eye or something to watch you depending on which guy you’re with.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Which practitioner you’re with, yeah.
Dave Asprey:
When you do it right, they’re going to nod at you and wink. If you get the signal, then you know that maybe you did something better or worse. I like to have a computer a thousand times a second going warmer, colder, warmer, colder to help guide me into the state. It’s been transformational for me. Heavily Meditated is based on running my company 40 Years of Zen for almost 10 years with more than a thousand high performing entrepreneurs where we spent five days with them measuring their brainwaves and teaching them a very specific altered state that lets you go and turn off the triggers.
When I say turn off the triggers, there are people, you know them in your practice who are terrified of foods. The terror of the food is worse than the allergy or the sensitivity, which is also an issue. There are people who are absolutely taken out because someone criticized them or because someone cut them off in traffic. You think about it all day long, all of those things happen for a reason inside the body. Then the reason comes down to ancient bacteria. When you understand this, it’s not you. There’s nothing wrong with you. It’s just your body doing what it was designed to do as if you weren’t in there.
Knowing this and then knowing the technique to go in and edit the settings, so the triggers don’t happen. It’s like this, Dr. Gundry, you have your phone and all the alerts for all the apps are turned on and you’re trying to do something and TikTok and Facebook and whatever, all these blah, blah, blah. All my alerts are turned off. I don’t really know about that. Our nervous system is firing alerts all the time and we feel helpless and we feel overwhelmed. There is something you can do about it. That’s why I wrote the book. This is what costs $16,000 for five days with neuroscientists and special pods for billionaires. I’m giving that away and Heavily Meditated. It helps to have the electrodes, but the technique isn’t something that’s from any type of meditation that’s out there. It has elements of different ones in it. It’s a step-by-step process that teaches people, oh, here’s how to never be triggered by that again.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
It’s funny, I was just on a podcast yesterday with a young woman and she was telling me that she has spent years and years and years with her therapist terrified that LPSs, lipopolysaccharides are the cause of all of her issues, terrified. She visits a therapist worried about her LPSs.
Dave Asprey:
Is that a new kind of specialty?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Apparently so. I was actually fascinated that therapists can treat your fear of lipopolysaccharides. True story.
Dave Asprey:
I respect that person’s approach. There was a time because I was so exposed to toxic mold, I would walk into a room that had species I’ve been exposed to before and I would immediately have a drop in my blood pressure. My brain fog would get really bad and my nervous system would shift into a fight or flight. It was very strong, very profound. At the start of my journey, it would sometimes take me six weeks to re-regulate my nervous system. I realized over time, a lot of this was fear of toxic mold. Toxic mold is provably bad for you, but my body’s protective response to it was way worse than what the mold was doing, at least in the short-term. Learning how to calm that system was one of the things that eventually led me to saying, “All right, how do I just become a master of my states? How do we make this teachable for our kids and for people who have lives to lead?”
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Now, you call this the reset process, so take us, everybody listening, through the reset process.
Dave Asprey:
The reset process has eight steps and some of them are really precise, which is why they’re in Heavily Meditated. We’re going to do kind of an abbreviated teaching of this, but I would prefer that if you’re listening to this and you say you want to try it, you really should go see one of my more detailed videos or read the book because I want you to get the steps right.
The first thing is you find something for your first one, something recent that was a trigger for you. Someone said something mean to you, your boss said something that might’ve been critical, someone cut you off in traffic, whatever, and it just made you feel icky. Well, you go into a calm, quiet place and there’s a soundtrack that you can get that’s on my website for daveasprey.com that will help you get into that state. You said, close your eyes, take a couple of deep breaths. Darkness is good. You can wear the red glasses, I make, whatever. The idea is chill, calm, womb-like environment, literally just turning off the lights is enough or a blindfold. Then you visualize the person who pissed you off. In your mind’s eye, they’re sitting across from you, and then this is the hard part. You re-experience whatever the sensation was they caused for you. Let’s say that someone cuts you off in traffic because it’s an easy one and you felt disrespected, right?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Yeah.
Dave Asprey:
Well, what do you do? Then you got that. You don’t think about the feeling. You don’t look at what it was like. What did it feel like in your gut? This is a somatic experience. You feel it in your body. Did your heart race? Did your jaw clinch? And it take about 30 seconds, at most two minutes, to tune in to the discomfort you felt and you have to replay it. Your body has the ability to replay any state, whether it’s an amazing state when you first held a baby or the most amazing time you climbed a mountain or the worst state, you can just replay it like a video game. We just don’t really think we can do that.
You’re like, “Oh, I turned on the ick,” and then you look at the other person who you’ve now got sitting across from you in your vision and you say, “You did X,” a very specific thing they did, “and it made me feel Y.” You cannot say, “You were mean to me, and it made me feel sad.” That doesn’t work. You cut me off in traffic and it made me feel disrespected. You didn’t take care of me when I felt unsafe and it made me whatever the thing that you’re working on. Once you’ve done this, you’ve named it and you’ve felt it, and this is the missing ingredient from so much meditation and forgiveness and therapy work, before you move into anything deeper, you have to find one good thing that came about as a result of this, right?
If you cannot find a spark of gratitude, even though the situation was not good, then you’re stuck. Because it turns out no matter how bad something was, there’s always a tiny bit of goodness. The reason you do this is it shifts you into curiosity to find it, and curiosity is an antidote to fear. It also, changes a very low level wiring in the body that says, “I don’t like pain, but I like getting stuff also.” It’s that desire to receive. You find a tiny thing that someone cut you off in traffic. “Well, I still got to work on time.” There. You found something good that happened, right?
Then you move into seeing things from the other person’s point of view, and since you have your eyes closed, they’re sitting across from you. I wonder what their day was like to make them cut you off in traffic. Maybe they got divorced that morning, maybe they were on the way to the hospital to deliver or to see the delivery of their first baby. You actually don’t know. Pretty soon as you’re doing this, you step into level one, which is empathy. I can sense that the other person was flawed and in pain, right? All people do that. Then the goal is to move to the next level, which is compassion, which is I wish them well, but I don’t have to feel their pain, right? They’re a flawed human. I wish them well. If you’re still stuck going, they’re a little bastard, okay? Visualize them as a five-year-old. Who beat them as a child or whatever happened in order to make them behave this way? Something is wrong with them, not with me.
As you do this, and I describe the full state in the book, you feel your heart change and you feel something come out of your heart. This is a measurable thing called forgiveness. Forgiveness is not saying that it was okay. Forgiveness is not telling the person you forgive them. Forgiveness is going in and turning off the alert, so you will never be triggered by that again, ever. It’s different than what meditation teaches, which is note the feelings that emerge, let them flow through, don’t act on them, and eventually they will subside if you just sit in the cave for two decades. I don’t have a cave or two decades to do that. The idea here is I’m recreating enough of the state that my body says, “Oh, that’s what I’m paying attention to,” and then a spark of gratitude like, “Oh wait,” and then a feeling of compassion. Those states, they cancel each other out, and then you are free.
The reason this is so important is that if I can trigger you, it means that you’re programmable. It means you’re not in charge of yourself and nobody wants that. We do not need a society full of programmable people right now. We need a society full of people who choose actively to be peaceful and are capable of remaining in that state because you cannot take them out of it. That is the highest level of human freedom. When you study these ancient lineages, you start by developing empathy, which isn’t that good. If you feel everyone else’s pain, you’re going to have a headache a lot. You move to compassion, okay, I wish everybody well, even if I don’t particularly like what they’re doing, but you know they’re flawed people. The final state is equanimity, or in the west we call it resilience.
Resilience is this beautiful symphony of a resilient body, which is the work that you and I both do a lot of. Resilient gut, resilient everything, I can make energy, I have enough to handle anything my life brings my way, and resilient programming to understand reality is that what that person did was about them, not about you, and to not hold onto that grudge. If you can do that, you have a level of human superpower resilience to go out and be the person that you’re supposed to be and to do whatever you’re here to do and to show up for your kids and your community and your family and yourself in a way that is epic and admirable.
Even if you fix your gut, even if you get your health back, if you’re triggered all the time, now, you just have more energy to be triggered with. Like we have to face this, and this is a core part of biohacking, because when I started biohacking, I’d run a longevity nonprofit group for almost a decade, and I could get no one young to show up. Biohacking was I’m going to relabel longevity because the things that make old people young, make young people powerful/ that makes it for all of us. Once you start feeling powerful, what do you want? I want to live forever. Longevity becomes a big part of it, and I want to be happy and more conscious. The only two things that really matter in biohacking are longevity and consciousness, and that’s what I’m doing.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Well, since the book is sitting here and you are wired, are you able to make these statements, people listening, watching, based on looking at changes in brainwaves as you did this process? This is measurable?
Dave Asprey:
100%, this is measurable. There are some of the brainwaves in the book. I just gave a talk at South by Southwest and I showed the brainwaves of someone having an absolutely profound spiritual experience. What you see is when you do the part of the reset process that you feel the discomfort, you will see a massive drop in amplitude of brainwaves. The brain gets quiet, usually alpha and theta will drop, and you can tell the person feels uncomfortable and that’s a hallmark they’re feeling the pain. Because if I said, “I want you to reexamine that time someone cut you off in traffic, you might think to yourself, you’re doing it but your body isn’t doing it.” When I have electrodes, I can say, “Nope, you didn’t do it. When you really feel the pain, we’re going to see the brainwave change. “They go, “Oh, fine, I’ll do it.” Then they drop in, but then the magical moment where people have transcendent experiences as a part of this, that’s a beautiful altered state where they step into compassion and forgiveness. You see a crossover of certain types of brainwaves.
When that happens, especially when it’s a very deep profound letting go, you’ll see an incredible spike of gamma brainwaves. Now, gamma brainwaves are what advanced zen meditators and advanced meditators can produce usually after 20, maybe 40 years of practice. They’re very high speed brainwaves. If you were to imagine you’re listening to music and you’ve got your deep bass drums and your tubas, those are the low side. These are delta, kind of the deep bass. When you get that very, very high end like a piccolo, just a little bit of spiciness in the music that you wouldn’t want to only hear, that’s gamma, but most of us don’t have much gamma. A lot of people in the neurofeedback field believe you cannot raise this.
I have so much data, we are teaching people to intentionally raise their gamma brainwaves in the same way that advanced monks can do. When that happens in conjunction with the reset process, there’s a very specific pattern, and then the whole brain lights up and people come back and say, usually with tears in their eyes, “I let that go.” One of the more profound things in the last 10 years that happened was we had a client, and I can share the story because she’s public about it, but she’s in her eighties, maybe almost 90, and she was born, she was conceived at a concentration camp. Her parents were in the worst possible scenario, and she was born right as they got out and has been traumatized her entire life. After she’s finished five days of really deep forgiveness for the kind of horrors that most people don’t ever experience, she just said, “My entire life, I’ve been looking for peace and I’ve finally felt it.” That’s what happens when you learn to let go of these things.
None of them have to do with your consciousness, with your brain. They’re automated defenses. They’re just trying to keep your body safe and they feel so real. The reason all this works is because your body processes reality for a third of a second before your brain gets any signal of reality. The body has a lot of intelligence, and the body is listening to the gut. In fact, do we talk about listening to your gut?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Of course we do.
Dave Asprey:
There’s a beautiful crosstalk between your gut bacteria and your mitochondria. They’re all bacteria. They talk to each other all the time. From a consciousness perspective, all life, whether it’s a lactobacillus in your gut or it’s the tree outside or it’s your organism, we follow a set of rules. They’re like computer science almost to process reality. The reason is that bacteria are small and dumb, but they’re very fast. They don’t have a lot of compute power, but they do make decisions. If it’s hot, move away. If it’s a threat, make some lipopolysaccharides.
Here’s what all of us do before we can think, and we do this with trillions of little decision-making nodes in a distributed compute system throughout the body called our mitochondrial network. I argue it’s the source of the ego and it’s a distributed system. Number one, these are all F words. Here it comes fear. Before you can think, is something scary and it’s not. Do you think it’s scary? Does the body rapidly detect that it might be scary? It’s a really good idea to make a mistake on the side of being scary, because if it’s actually a tiger, something would eat you. That’s why we overreact to fear. Then, okay, if it’s not scary, then what’s the next thing? Oh, food. We should eat everything. We have, is it scary? Take action. If it’s food, eat it. The next F word is one that we all know about as adults, it starts with an F, and you have to do it for life to go on forever, and because this is a family-friendly show, we’ll call it fertility.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
How about fornication? That works.
Dave Asprey:
Fear, food, fornication. Dr. Gundry, what that means is that everything you’ve ever done that you regret or you’re ashamed of was a mitochondrial behavior. Everything you procrastinated, that was fear. You ate all the Ben and Jerry’s, that was food, right? You went on the date, you probably shouldn’t have that one time, okay? You knew better and you did it anyway. It’s just ancient survival things. This is the same things a microbe does. The thing that gives me so much hope for the world is that the next F word is friend. In order. What this means is that if you’re a human, you support your community and life around you. If you’re a bacteria in the gut, you form an ecosystem with other bacteria and one that’s beneficial and friendly, but you do not do it if you’re in a state of fear because of antibiotics and poisoning and all that kind of stuff. You do not do it if you’re in a state of hunger because the person’s eating the wrong food. You do not do it if you cannot reproduce, and there isn’t this connection to other humans. Once those needs are met, we are wired in our bones to serve our community and for our community to serve us back.
If you do these right and you eat right, so you have enough energy, I totally filled up the fear bucket because I shrunk it with a reset process. There was so much left that I could pay attention to food. Now, I’m not hungry anymore because I learned how to eat and there was so much left that I could have an amazing relationship with the kind of intimacy that creates altered healing states when you do it right. There’s a chapter on that in the book. Then now, look what I can give back to my community.
I mean, you’re a prime example of that. Then, well, I have enough energy left to evolve. That’s where forgiveness is. Forgiveness is how you turn down fear so you have more energy to do the things you’re here to do. The cool thing is it’s not just us doing that, it’s all life does it automatically. All we have to do is learn how to take care of our hardware so we have more energy and learn how to not be afraid all the time, and no fear is a thought. Fear happens in the body, and the thoughts justify the fear, but the thoughts are not real about fear. They are a story about the fear, and it’s usually not where you think it came from. That’s why I wrote this book, 10 Years of Work, more than a thousand high-end entrepreneurs turning off their triggers. This is what’s changed my life.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
The way to do this without wiring yourself up to a machine is in here-
Dave Asprey:
Oh, it’s in the book. I’m giving away my most precious knowledge in the book. It can help to have a facilitator or a therapist or just a friend or something, so you can talk about the work you did, but it’s really interesting to sit down and say, “I don’t know why that situation today really got under my skin. Let me examine it.” One of the other things that usually happens at the beginning of the reset process when I’m working with a client, “Someone cut me off in traffic and I felt disrespected.” Cool. “Instead of running the reset on that guy, what’s the first time you felt disrespected?”
Then they’ll sit there and go, “Oh my gosh, I haven’t thought of this in a long time. In third grade, my PE coach yelled at me in front of everyone. I don’t know why that popped into my head, but I realized I felt the same way.” Let’s run the reset on the PE coach, because if you do that and you do it correctly, every other time that you would have felt disrespected, all gets erased. It’s like traveling back in time and turning off the alerts. You have no more alerts ever again about that. The next time someone says something that would have just set you off, you can laugh at them. It’s not that you’re laughing because you chose to laugh and you’re feeling angry. It’s that you just didn’t feel angry, and that’s the freedom.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Let me channel my inner Tony Robbins and Tony would say the first step is stop playing old movies. How do … People do not like pain.
Dave Asprey:
No, they don’t.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
You make a strong argument to embrace small amounts of pain to help this process.
Dave Asprey:
Let’s talk about that.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Yeah.
Dave Asprey:
There’s a mindset that says, “Well, just push through it. Let’s grind. You can handle pain,” and you and I to be successful in our careers this way, we’ve both faced adversity in our careers. I’ve had three knee surgeries, screw in my knee, I’ve done lots of injuries. You can push through the pain. It doesn’t always work, and it doesn’t create the kind of life you want. If you never experience pain, then you don’t have the life you want. There’s a new concept in the world of biohacking that’s a part of the book and it’s called BICEP. Yeah, brief, intentional, conscious exposure to pain. Now, at first you’d say, “What are you talking about? I don’t like pain.” Well, nobody likes pain except maybe a few people, and they’re in the book too. It turns out there’s an-
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Tattoos, piercing.
Dave Asprey:
Exactly.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
You talk about it in the book.
Dave Asprey:
Yeah. There’s this entire set of ancient knowledge where monks used to whip themselves just for like five minutes called self-flagellation, and they’d flog themselves on their back. I remember I read this in seventh grade and I was horrified. They think they’re such sinners, they’re dumb. That’s not why. Then you say yogis, they lay on a bed of nails. I’ve asked my parents, “Why do they do that?” Because they have powers, nobody knows. Well, it’s the same thing. Anyone who’s worked with addiction, how many tattoos are there, right? I’m not judging. I have a tattoo of a caffeine molecule. Tattoos are bad for you, by the way. I just wanted one anyway.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
By the way.
Dave Asprey:
Yeah, it’s because tattoos hurt and because intentionally experiencing moderate pain for a brief period changes dopamine signaling in the brain by up to 250% in one of the studies I found. What that means, because dopamine rewards you for pursuing a goal, it means it takes less motivation for you to avoid the addictive substance. Less motivation for you to skip the junk food, less motivation for you to do the work you wanted to do or to go to the gym or to do personal development work. It turns out you could eat really spicy chili peppers. Oh wait, high lectins. I’m not going to do that even though I live in Texas.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
I love them. If you ferment them, you’re fine.
Dave Asprey:
Oh, I haven’t tried that. Okay, I will try that.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Hot sauce.
Dave Asprey:
Okay, and you think that’s not going to set off my lectin sensitivity?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
No, I think you’ll be okay.
Dave Asprey:
I’m going to give it a shot.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
All right.
Dave Asprey:
That would be a gift, or you could eat wasabi. There you go about that.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
There you go. Japanese wasabi. Our wasabi is horseradish with green food coloring.
Dave Asprey:
Yes, real Japanese wasabi for sure. You could also do what biohackers do. You could do a cold plunge or a cold shower, and there’s abundant evidence, I’ve taught this for 15 years now, here’s all the reasons you might want to do some cold therapy for your metabolism and for endorphins and all. There’s another thing, and it is the dopamine sensitivity, and that’s entirely different from the metabolic benefits.
Embrace the suck for one minute a day, brief, intentional, conscious exposure to pain, and then every decision that required willpower requires less willpower. This is why the monks were flagellating themselves because if they did that in the morning, it took less willpower for them to stay in the state they chose. Since I’m assuming your goal, if you read Heavily Meditated, is you want to be able to choose your state and to stay in it for as long as you want, and to be able to switch states at will instead of having the world switch them for you. This is an important practice, and you can do it lots of different ways, and it’s not about harming yourself at all. It’s just about briefly saying, “I’m the boss.”
Dr. Steven Gundry:
I want to kind of finish where we started with my monkey brain. People want to quiet their mind, whatever that means. What’s the biggest mistake they’re making, and what’s a simple trick to start?
Dave Asprey:
Well, the biggest mistake that people make is that thinking the voice in their head is them. It’s very clear that you have a separate consciousness inside of you. I call it the meat operating system. Some would call it the ego. It is designed to keep your meat alive as if your brain wasn’t there. It’s angry that your brain is there because your brain keeps interfering with survival behaviors like eating all the pizza. There’s this inherent conflict in there. If you feel guilt and shame and frustration over the angry, bitchy voice in your head, I had a very mean voice in my head. I don’t have any voice in my head anymore. Just understand it’s not you, and you can laugh at it because it’s like the Mean Girl movie. That’s what it does. It’s just trying to manipulate you and understanding that it’s not you creates a ton of freedom because now you’re dealing with someone that you might say an adversary, or you might just say that it’s a very misguided, very simplistic consciousness.
It’s there for a reason, and that makes it much easier to set it aside and then learn some of the breath work, the very quick and fast breath work exercises in Heavily Meditated. They will change your ability to regulate your nervous system. When you find, oh, I got dysregulated and the voice in my head, then do four of these breaths and know the voice for what it is. That is not you. There’s nothing wrong with you for having the voice, and it’ll shut the hell up, and then you’re back in your state and you go about your day. It is so liberating to be able to go, “Oh my gosh. It’s not that I’m a bad person. It’s not that I hate myself. It’s that there’s a fearful, angry, unhealed voice in my head, and you can do something about that. It’s not you. That’s the biggest mistake.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
This is quick. I don’t have to have a chamber for two hours. Sit on a rug and chant.
Dave Asprey:
You don’t. I talk about chanting, I talk about all the altered states breath work and all. The reality though, healing, true healing and true forgiveness, it’s an altered state. I go through pretty much every technology we know about in the book. Technology or technique, so a lot of these are very ancient techniques to allow you to shift into a state where you can let things go. Instead of what we do oftentimes in the west is we have the thoughts and we just try to apply willpower and just push anyway. It doesn’t work that way. You switch your state into, it’s like going into the settings on your phone to change things. You have to be in the settings menu to change things or it doesn’t work. How do you get into the settings menu in your head? You can do it with breath work, you can do it with a bunch of other practices. You can do it with meditation, but even the type of meditation matters. There’s a roadmap for going in and changing your setting.
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Wow. Me, whenever something bad happens to me or I’m going to be nasty to you right now, I can blame my microbiome, Dave.
Dave Asprey:
I find blaming is a really good strategy for inner peace, don’t you?
Dr. Steven Gundry:
Yeah. More amazing episodes just like this one. Watch now.
Dave Asprey:
You realize that working out with that level of intensity a couple of times a week and then sleeping or meditating with the same level of intensity the other days will get you better results. It makes people mad to hear that.
