Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. The weekly podcast, where Dr. G gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.
Dr. Gundry (00:13):
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Dr. Gundry (01:49):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. There’s one thing we do around 35,000 times a day, that could be having a huge impact on your health. And no I’m not talking about blinking or breathing. I’m talking about making decisions. Bet you didn’t think about that, did you? That’s right, whether it’s eating breakfast, calling a friend or tuning into this podcast, your constantly making choices. Whether you know it or not. Well, my guest today says that these decisions have a much bigger impact on your life than you might think.
Dr. Gundry (02:27):
In fact, he says that almost every aspect of life from relationships to careers, to how we treat others can be traced back to just one decision we’ve made in the past. He’s coach Mike Bayer, a New York times best-selling author, TV personality, and mental health advocate: with a track record of helping A-list celebrities heal and recover. Mike also has a brand new book out called One Decision: The First Step to a Better Life. And today, Mike and I are going to discuss how you can start making decisions that will help transform your obstacles into opportunities. Find your purpose, improve your mental health and relationships, and even help you make more money. Mike, it’s great to have you on the show.
Mike Bayer (03:20):
Thank you Dr. Gundry. Wonderful introduction you just gave.
Dr. Gundry (03:24):
Wow, I want to hear… I got to hear more about this and I know our listeners do too. So you’ve worked with literally thousands of people across all imaginable walks of life. So what type of person did you write this book for?
Mike Bayer (03:42):
I love working with people that are lost. Lost, they’re stuck. They don’t know what they should do. They maybe feel all alone. They feel they’ve tried things so many times and it just hasn’t worked out for them, and they’ve kind of settled in life. I also love a person who’s depressed or who struggles with low self-esteem or addicts. Those are my people, people that really self-sabotage. So I wrote the book for… Look, I’ve helped a lot of people who are very high performing, but at the end of the day, I love the person that’s in their apartment feels overwhelmed and just doesn’t know what decision they need to make next.
Dr. Gundry (04:29):
Well and also at least in our culture, it would appear that very high performing people are sometimes some of the most lost individuals there are.
Mike Bayer (04:41):
It’s a amen, because it’s the truth. And that the general public believes that they’re quite put together. And there’s a whole facade culture that exists, especially with social media. That makes people believe that they’re not enough when really this is a widespread issue.
Dr. Gundry (05:03):
Have you noticed during COVID that this feeling of being alone and depression has just intensified to levels, maybe even you haven’t seen before?
Mike Bayer (05:18):
That’s a great question. So one of the businesses… I’ve been in mental health over 18 years, I’ve owned a treatment center for over 15. And that business in particular… There’s kind of this new wave energy around tele-health and, “Get your therapy online” and, “You could do it from the comfort of your own home.” Billions of dollars are being spent. I don’t know the exact figure, but a lot of money.
Dr. Gundry (05:44):
Mike Bayer (05:45):
You see the ads on TV a lot. What we found… we went all online and then we also have in person, the people who are just online have twice as likely a relapse to happen while they’re in treatment with us. There’re also half as likely to complete our program. So what we’ve seen is a huge increase in our mental health clients. We used to be about 50/50 half were, drug addicts and alcoholics. The other half were anxiety and depressive disorders. Now we’ve seen a huge spike with just pure mental health. And so yeah, to answer your question. It’s been pretty extreme in terms of the stress that’s going on out there.
Dr. Gundry (06:35):
Okay. So in One Decision, your book. The word authenticity comes up all the time and you say it’s the key to better decision-making. What do you mean by authenticity?
Mike Bayer (06:52):
Well, I don’t know if people who can listen right now can see your socks, but your socks to me, a message to me, that you’re authentically wearing a pair of purple… What are Those turtles on your socks?
Dr. Gundry (07:07):
Oh, there actually artichokes. But yes there-
Mike Bayer (07:09):
Dr. Gundry (07:10):
Artichokes in purple, so.
Mike Bayer (07:11):
Okay. So it’s decisions that we make in how we present to the world in how we present to ourselves. The word authenticity kind of in my opinion, has got quite lost. Because it’s been through this assembly line of what is authentic and what is real? But it’s who we are. It’s we’re all unique. It’s our integrity. It’s how we carry ourselves. It’s how we express ourselves. It’s how we play in our art. And it’s something that we have to go back to over and over again, because otherwise we risk really losing ourselves. And I’ve seen that a lot with people as they start trying to be like other people. And then they end up really feeling lost.
Dr. Gundry (07:58):
Do you think social media has had a big influence on that? You’re trying to somebody else.
Mike Bayer (08:06):
Yeah and to be real… I’m newer in this pub… I’ve been a coach for 18 years, but I’m newer in this social media coaching world. These coaches, they’re all buying their followers and preaching about authenticity. And to be honest, and no one saying anything because they’re all doing it. And I just think it’s… Which is it annoys me. It’s not even jealousy. I’m just, “Just be real. You’re trying to help people. Speak from an honest place.” But across the board, I feel social media has made it very difficult. The people I know who don’t use social media are generally more at peace and happy with themselves.
Dr. Gundry (08:46):
You mean you actually know someone who doesn’t use social media anymore? This is great.
Mike Bayer (08:52):
Yeah. Well, they’re not. They’re people who don’t need social. You and I, that’s part of how we reach our people and that’s how we connect. And if you don’t have a social media as an author today, you’re probably not getting a book deal. So it’s part of what you have to do and it’s figuring out how to do it in a form that really represents you.
Dr. Gundry (09:18):
All right. Give me an example of-
Mike Bayer (09:20):
[inaudible 00:09:20] right there, but.
Dr. Gundry (09:21):
Well, give me an example of an authentic decision. Apparently I made an authentic decision wearing artichoke socks today.
Mike Bayer (09:28):
Well, I think you make an authentic decision when you’re writing Plant Paradox or those types of books. You’re passionate about what you’re writing about. And it may be easier to come up with some catchy name as a diet book and do something that could potentially sell, or you could over promise. But authenticity to me is about being honest. So an authentic decision is any decision that lines up with who you are. So for me, I’m a little… I like to use creativity. So I refer to my authenticity or my best self is a wizard named Merlin. And I try to bring in Merlin into different settings. And Merlin’s wise and compassionate and funny. I have him tattooed all over my body. I got wizards all over me. I sent you a One Decision box. You probably saw a wizard on the box too.
Dr. Gundry (10:27):
Mike Bayer (10:28):
Yeah so to me, for those of us who need reminders, it’s figuring out what represents our authenticity and to lean into that.
Dr. Gundry (10:38):
All right. So you say many of us make inauthentic decisions. Okay, what do you mean by that?
Mike Bayer (10:48):
We make decisions that aren’t honest or to people please, or we don’t speak up because we’re afraid. We do what our parents told us we should do when we grow up. We don’t… It’s anything that’s out of alignment with just who we are. For some people it’s out of alignment, if they’re part of a religion and they have certain integrity and ethics as a part of that. But we all do it every day. The reality is we’re all working progress. I’m a life coach, but some days I feel more disheveled than some of my clients. We’re all doing our best we can with what we know. So it’s that part of us that gets in the way of us evolving.
Dr. Gundry (11:40):
Okay. So how do you start our listeners making more authentic decisions?
Mike Bayer (11:50):
Well, I think it’s first figuring out where is a listener making a decision or what area of… It’s always helpful to go, “Okay, what area of life is not working?” Or our brain is telling us it’s not working or we can’t do it. For some people it’s health. They struggle with sticking to a plan, and they will say that it doesn’t work because of a, b, c, or d. Or they try to get together with a certain diet, even though it doesn’t line up with who they are.
Mike Bayer (12:28):
So the first thing is to figure out what area of life is… I always go is, “Do you wish you could evolve? And do you wish you could grow in?” So because we make over 35,000 decisions a day, it’s pretty overwhelming to go, “Okay, what’s our first authentic decision.” But I always find that it’s helpful to look at what’s not working. What are we not happy with? And we don’t often take the time to sit back and go, “Okay, what area of our life are we unhappy with? Is it our health? Is it our relationships? Is it our employment? Is our spirituality?” And then once you figure out, “Okay, here’s”… And I write… In One Decision, I write in the style of being somebody’s life coach, and there’s an assessment to help someone figure out what is that area.
Mike Bayer (13:19):
And it’s interesting because a lot of people I sit down with they will… I’ll say, “What do you want to work on?” And the thing they want to work on is not actually the thing that once we start talking, they really need to address today. I’m sure you see that as a doctor all the time, they’ll come in with one thing and you totally lead them over to the other side. And so that is… Once you get an assessment you go, “All right, well let’s focus on this one area.” Then we get in the area and we go, “Okay, what feels off?” And then we look at their own authenticity in that area and go, “Well, are you… Why don’t we figure out how to do it your way?” So.
Dr. Gundry (13:58):
And do you most people, when you point that out to them, know what their way really should be?
Mike Bayer (14:08):
Yeah, because the way I’ll do it is I’ll go by feeling. I’ll try to tap into what excites them or what is kind of their light. But if I say to someone, “Okay, you say that you need to exercise more.” Which is so broad. I’ll say, “Okay, well what have you”… it’s just like you do as a doctor. I’m sure is, “What have you tried in the past that you liked? What have you always wanted to do?” Life’s short, you guys were talking I overheard it before I came on the spot: life is short. It comes and goes and we all pass away. So what is that thing you want to start trying? And when you go there with it, people usually have ideas.
Dr. Gundry (14:53):
Great. Now in the book you explained that perception is ultimately what dictates, whether we will make a decision that leads to a better life or a decision that leads to more stress. And how does that one work?
Mike Bayer (15:08):
Yeah. So we all… Again, sometimes it’s really helpful to think about what area of life is the most frustrating. We tend to get in these loops, day after day. Sometimes they’re very small things. Sometimes they’re bigger things. But it’s first figuring out that problem, what is that problem in your life? How are you perceiving the problem? So in cognitive behavioral therapy is there’s… It’s called cognitive distortions and CBT has been around forever. And it’s a practice that a lot of clinicians use, because what it does is it get someone out of viewing their problem a certain type of way and viewing it differently.
Mike Bayer (15:56):
So what I find is when someone has a problem area that they can’t seem to resolve, they either fortune tell and go, “Well, that couldn’t work for me. That sounds good but I tried that diet back in the day. So Dr. Gundry, that’s not going to work.” Or whatever they come up with or they over-generalize, they get into right fighting. They sit in confusion or they emotionally reason, which means they kind of believe feelings are facts. And so what I try to do is help someone get out of that mindset to look at what is the truth. And the majority of time, when people can really change their perception about the problem: they then can make decisions that are what we’re talking about, authentic decisions.
Dr. Gundry (16:47):
Gotcha. So how do you switch from viewing something as an obstacle to viewing it as an opportunity? And I bring that up because so many people COVID has been probably one of the biggest, at least in their thinking, obstacles to happiness. Success, money, job you name it, seeing friends. Take us through it.
Mike Bayer (17:20):
Well, it’s a choice. We can choose to view it as a problem or an obstacle, or we can work really hard to see it as an opportunity. Because I guess when I’ve asked people before and I talk about in One Decision, when I say, “What are the top three most critical decisions you’ve made in your life?” Nine times out of 10, those decisions they made were a lot more difficult than decisions they’ve made in this last year.
Mike Bayer (17:58):
Whether it’s getting out of a divorce. Whether it’s coming out as gay. Whether it’s getting sober. Whatever it is, were a hell of a lot harder than what’s gone on in this last year. And so when people realize that they can go, “All right, I can’t”… I haven’t met someone in the last year, when I’ve sat down with them that’s gone, “This past year was harder than these three critical decisions I’ve made in my life.” So when you can help someone’s brain start to understand that they go, “I got this.”
Dr. Gundry (18:26):
Yeah. That’s a great example. Actually, in my upcoming book, The Energy Paradox towards the end and the afterwards, I remind people that life doesn’t happen to you. It actually happens for you. And it’s perception of exactly what you’re talking about.
Mike Bayer (18:51):
Yeah. What do you find in your work is the most common perception that people have that you help them kind of change?
Dr. Gundry (19:00):
Actually I think one of the most common ones is, “I can’t help being a diabetic.” Or, “I can’t having heart disease because my family history. I can’t help it. I’m destined to have these problems and there’s nothing that I can do that will change that. And that’s why I am fat, diabetic, have high blood pressure and have two stents. I can’t help it.”
Mike Bayer (19:30):
And that they just are committed to that belief.
Dr. Gundry (19:35):
Yeah. That’s their belief system, correct.
Mike Bayer (19:37):
Yeah. The same thing I see, yeah.
Dr. Gundry (19:39):
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Dr. Gundry (22:20):
You also say that our force is responsible for the way we view things. Okay, now wait a minute. You’re not talking to star Wars. Are you? Does the force-
Mike Bayer (22:31):
No, but it does kind of sound like that.
Dr. Gundry (22:32):
Does the force need to be with me or?
Mike Bayer (22:35):
Yeah, well, the force is the driver behind our decisions. So the force are the thoughts and feelings. And as I mentioned, I kind of get… It’s an acronym. I love an acronym. And I just took cognitive distortions from CBT, tongue twister, and turned it into hacks. So when someone’s fortune-telling, in One Decision we talk about it, we get into the fact finding. And that’s around a problem, “I’m diabetic. Therefore, I’m destined for doom.” Well, let’s look at the facts. “I’m still alive. There’s other people out there that have been able to be diabetic and be successful. Hey, there’s other people in my family that been able to. I can control what I put in my body.” It’s looking at the facts.
Mike Bayer (23:32):
There’s overgeneralizing and the hack would be objective thinking and there’s rigidity or right fighting. “Nope, I’m diabetic. This is it.” Or it’s being relaxed and going, “There could be another way.” The C is for confused purpose. And the other C is for clarified purpose. So this is when people don’t know why they’re eating a certain type of way. And they don’t know why they got to stick to a certain type of diet. Well, does it line up with your purpose? So you can get out of confusion. And the last is, and what I find the most during COVID that people struggle with. Is emotional reasoning, and the hack is evidence based thinking. So what I find a lot of people think right now is, “I feel this way, therefore this is what’s going on.” And feelings aren’t facts. Thank God feelings aren’t facts.
Dr. Gundry (24:30):
We’re seeing that a lot on the news recently, apparently.
Mike Bayer (24:36):
Dr. Gundry (24:38):
Okay. So what does overgeneralizing and stereotypes have to do with all of this?
Mike Bayer (24:47):
So that would say when people over-generalize, they limit themselves from opportunities. So that’s when somebody goes, “Oh, they would never hire me, because I don’t have a college degree.” It’s not true. But a lot of people have that thought or they would say, “Oh yeah, that works. Those celebrities can get fit because they’re celebrities and they have chefs.” And you’re, “Well, there’s also a lot of celebrities who aren’t in shape.” So I don’t know if that… But it’s overgeneralizing to stay stuck. And when you really use objective thinking, you can kind of look at a problem because overgeneralizing is dangerous for ourselves. Because it just prevents us from being able to live more fully, it’s easy to over-generalize. That’s like, “All diets are the same.” That’s an over… all diets aren’t that… diets are bad. Well, got to be some good ones. That’s where people get really stuck in terms of making change. And when they can see which force is keeping them stuck, then we get into the positive force and get them unstuck.
Dr. Gundry (26:06):
So how do you get somebody out of that habit of thinking that way? What’s the… got any steps?
Mike Bayer (26:16):
I do. So the first is… So I created what’s called the [inaudible 00:26:21] and that’s basically obstacle, opportunity, one decision. So whenever something’s a problem, we always starred it obstacle. We live here for this… An obstacle, I don’t know way in, way out of it. I asked someone I know, “Do you want to change? Do you want the problem to change?” “Yes I want my problem to change.” “Okay, are you willing to look at it differently?” “Yeah, sure.” “What are the current opportunities that exists in your problem?” Now, some people back to obstacles, some people are committed to not changing. Oh, you’re committed. [inaudible 00:27:04] Stop saying, you want to. Be honest with yourself. You don’t want to. Let’s just call it what it is. “Yes, I do. I do want to change.” No, you don’t. You’re not even willing to look at it differently.
Mike Bayer (27:15):
First step is looking at it differently, becoming willing. And when you become willing, I always find it helpful to get pen to paper. Because we loop that if we don’t put pen to paper or put some… We’re solving it on the brain, and then we end up falling back to the same plate. Looking at [inaudible 00:27:40] making a decision… So when we make a decision, one decision from a problem as an opportunity, the outcome is than viewing it as an obstacle. Now I know this stuff gets a little… I wanted to make sure in One Decision, I help people change about their lives so that they can care of what they wanted. And if I could help people make decisions from viewing entity. The outcomes have been tremendous [inaudible 00:28:09]. It’s so simple that it seemed silly, but it really works.
Dr. Gundry (28:14):
So I’m sure everyone listening says, “Okay, does this have the potential to make more money by following this?”
Mike Bayer (28:26):
I’ve made other people a lot more money, than I ever made. I made some people a lot of money-
Dr. Gundry (28:33):
That’s what a good teacher does usually.
Mike Bayer (28:38):
Yeah, because right now, belief… Not everyone, I’m not overgeneralizing, but there [inaudible 00:28:47] people who have this… because of COVID, they are incapable of making or shifting careers. And or like, they’ll get stuck in believing one [inaudible 00:29:03] is, “Well, I’m a mechanic. So I just fit [inaudible 00:29:07]” and people are… What I love to do is help people believe or something they actually believe about themselves and help you can do it. And so even more money, it’s incredibly helpful to understand. And I’m a business owner and got several books and I know you have to. It makes us better leaders when we can perceive our life differently. It helps us not be [inaudible 00:29:38] and have that conversation with someone that we really should give it a few hours before we enter a… And our partnerships in a better way.
Mike Bayer (29:51):
I have a partnership and it’d be launching a life coaching certification program and I’m going to be partnering [inaudible 00:00:29:58]. Into it in a very honest, vulnerable, open type of way. And it worked up and many years ago, I would have been, “Well, what’s mine? And what if… I can do this myself and it’s just life.” I really do believe if we believe life wants us [inaudible 00:00:30:20], we can win and are capable of making a lot of money if they want to. To do the work though.
Dr. Gundry (30:32):
And what have you found with One Decision and improving relationships? Is the same apply?
Mike Bayer (30:42):
It does because everyone’s so different. And so just got off the phone today with someone who’s dad helping them get help because they’re lost and stuck in their life. They’re making $1,300 a month. Their rent is 1700 and they do electrical work. And right now money is getting in the way of their relationship. And there’s a lot of conflict and so for us, we have to help them create a language [inaudible 00:31:24] because they love each other. And to take a look at what’s happening and [inaudible 00:31:30] communication. So sometimes I find in relationships is the ability to have compassion for each other. It’s the will to go out and to hear someone else. And it’s not just all about, “Let’s just make one decision.” It’s just decision that’s going to lead to several other decisions that don’t make better.
Dr. Gundry (31:55):
Gotcha. All right, other than picking up and reading the book, which would be a great idea. What’s one simple thing the listeners can do today to start making more authentic decisions? One thing.
Mike Bayer (32:12):
Sure. I think that somebody today could draw a circle and put themselves with a name and then put a line out or each person who they view is important in there… And whether it’s mom, dad, boss, coworker, spiritual advisor, whoever it is. Up that put whatever area in their life they want to improve. And what I would suggest, because really helpful if someone does this on paper. People who could potentially help you with this area of your life would reach out to them, and you would just have a conversation. Because there’s mentorship and wisdom all around us, and a lot of people wanted to come to me, they have [inaudible 00:33:13] own world. In which they can make some positive change and it’s free to do that.
Dr. Gundry (33:20):
Excellent starting point. All right, coach Mike, it’s been a pleasure having you on the show. So where can listeners find the book and also learn more about you?
Mike Bayer (33:30):
So it’s available everywhere. Target, Walmart, Amazon, coachMikeBayer.com and all socials. It’s Bayer like aspirin, so.
Dr. Gundry (33:43):
Good to clarify, thank you. All right. Well, good luck with the book and everybody find it at Target and Walmart that’s is great, very good news indeed. All right. Thanks for being on the show and look forward to seeing you next time.
Mike Bayer (34:01):
Dr. Gundry (34:02):
Take care. Okay, it’s time for our audience question. [Celine Sinslar 00:34:08] on Instagram wants to know if power blues and vital reds will break her fast. Good news, it will not. It turns out your taking those polyphenols, which will be eaten by your gut buddies and they’ll in turn, turn it into all sorts of really cool compounds that you’ll learn all about in The Energy Paradox. So no, there’s nothing in there that will break your fast. But an added bonus is because you are feeding your gut buddies, they’ve gotten what they want. And there’s very cool data that you’ll learn about in The Energy Paradox. That because you’ve gut buddies are happy and full, they will send messages to your brain that your not hungry. And it’s actually one of the tricks we use to initiate the program.
Dr. Gundry (35:06):
So enjoy your vital reds and power blues. Great question. Okay, it’s time for the review of the week. This week’s review comes from Chris [Belliston 00:35:18] who watched my interview with Dave Asprey and said, “Good information all the way through the video. I learned a few new things. Now I know how the word breakfast is derived, make sense. Enjoyed your guests, Dave Asprey and thought you both made some great points. Thanks again Dr. Gundry, sharing is caring.” Well, thanks a lot Chris. We appreciate it. Glad you like that interview. Dave is always got some fascinating insights and usually I like to give him a couple as well. So we go back now a long way. So thanks for watching. Tell your friends, and please tell everybody to tune in because sharing is caring and I’m Dr. Gundry, and I’m always looking out for you.
Dr. Gundry (36:09):
Disclaimer, on the Dr. Gundry Podcast, we provide a venue for discussion and the views expressed by my guests do not necessarily reflect my own.
Dr. Gundry (36:21):
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