Speaker 1 (00:41):
Topic one, what exactly is poop? Now, what’s fascinating to most people is we’ve always been told that our bowel movement is basically unused food particles that weren’t absorbed from our small intestine and large intestine. And believe it or not, I was taught that in medical school. And that was before we actually learned about the microbiome. And for those of you who have listened to me, the microbiome is those hundreds of trillions of bacteria, about four to five pounds of bacteria that live in your primarily colon, but also in your small bowel. And there’s even some that live in your stomach. So the vast majority of what comes out of your rear end is actually living bacteria. And that’s what’s so interesting. It is, the vast majority is not residual things that you ate. It’s the bacteria that ate what you ate. Now, why didn’t we know that?

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Well, it turns out that so many of the bacteria, particularly that live in our colon, cannot live in oxygen. They’re what are called anaerobic bacteria. Uh, bacteria that can live on oxygen are called aerobic bacteria like aerobic exercising. And for those of you hit junkies, anaerobic exercise is when your muscles no longer burn oxygen and have to produce lactic acid. Anyhow, most bacteria in our colon are anaerobic. And it’s very difficult to grow anaerobic bacteria in traditional culture medium. So for years and years and years, we actually had no idea how much of our poop was bacteria, but thanks to the human microbiome project, we now know that actually the vast majority of what you’re pooping out is dead bacteria, pieces of bacteria, and living bacteria. So these bacteria get made by eating the foods that you eat. And that’s where it gets into some very interesting things about feeding bacteria, what you want them to eat.

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And as most of you know, who’ve read or listened to the longevity paradox, there’s a big difference between the bacteria that you want living in you and the bacteria that you don’t want living into you, and that’s why we’re gonna talk about this today. So first question, what should a good poop look like? Well, there’s no absolute definition of you having a perfectly looking poop. If you listen to my good friend, Dr. Terry Walls, you, when you have a bowel movement, you should look into the toilet and see a giant coiled snake looking back at you. And those of you who have heard this story when I was writing The Plant Paradox, I actually in my unedited edition said that when you look into the toilet, you should see a giant anaconda looking back up at you. And my dear editor, Julie Wills, said, “You realize there is a movie called Anaconda where an Anaconda comes out of an airline toilet.” And she said, “I don’t think we want that visual in the book.” So we changed it to a coiled snake.

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But the point is, you want a large mass staring up at you, uh, from the toilet bowl. And if it looks like soft serve ice cream, that’s okay. If it looks harder and has markings, that’s also okay. What you don’t really want to see is actually floaters. If you have consistently floating stool, that means it actually has a high fat content. And almost all of the fat that you eat should be absorbed and not be in your stool. And that actually can mean that you have a digestive enzyme insufficiency. And it’s one of the first things to spot. If you’ve got floating stools, then one of the first things I recommend doing is getting yourself some digestive enzymes, and those can be both bile acids and pancreatic enzymes. These are readily available. You actually don’t have to spend a lot of money and just start taking digestive enzymes with your meals and report back to see if you’ve got some nice sinkers in your stool.

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Now, topic two, why is poop important?

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Um, those of you who have done water fasting, uh, or juice fasting may have noticed that you will lose about three to five pounds in a three or maybe four day water fast, and most people think this is miraculous weight loss, but what you’ve actually done, and you probably noticed this in the bathroom, is you took away the food that your gut bacteria generally eats. And so that weight loss is, interestingly enough, that four to five pounds of bacteria that make you their home. So rather than some miracle, uh, that weight loss is just those bacteria not eating and, in a way, starving to death. I’ve done this so many times, I get a kick out of it. If I go on a three-day water fast, I will, no matter what my weight is, lose about three to five pounds, and then when I start eating, I will once again gain those three to five pounds, maybe minus one pound for the three days that I didn’t eat anything, but it always comes back, and that’s because I’m regrowing my microbiome.

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So the more you think about what’s living inside of you, and as I talk about the longevity paradox, what’s living inside of you is incredibly important for your long-term health. Now, what’s equally as important, and this is where we get into constipation and diarrhea and bloating. We know that there are bacteria that should normally exist in all of us. Again, there’s at least 10,000 different bacteria that have now been discovered that potentially can make us their home. And this number goes up all the time. Uh, about six months ago, another thousand species of bacteria were discovered, uh, through the microbiome project.

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The problem is the vast majority of us have very few species of those 10,000 bacteria, and that’s because of what I talk about. Number one, we all take too many antibiotics. Now, don’t hear me wrong. Antibiotics properly administered can be life-saving, and that’s not what I want you to hear. In other words, antibiotics, properly done, should be, uh, life-saving, but we use them excessively for colds, the flu, which they don’t work on. Most of our ailments that we catch are viruses that antibiotics don’t work on. They’re in almost all of our conventionally raised animal products, whether it’s the beef you eat, the chicken you eat, the pork you eat, because they’ve been fed to these animals to make them fatten up quickly. Antibiotics are in our water supply. It’s something that really can’t be filtered out by water treatment plants. So we’re under this constant barrage of things that destroy our microbiome.

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And the most recent addition to the problem is glyphosate, the active ingredient in Roundup. Glyphosate was patented as an antibiotic. It absolutely destroys gut bacteria, and it’s one of the main reasons I think our health has deteriorated and our bowel problems have increased. So normally, we have this huge, great, diverse flora microbiome, and they’re there waiting for you to feed them. But so many of us, that microbiome is very deficient, and we have very few bugs doing the work. Now, the bugs we do have, in general, fall into two categories, and you’ve heard me talk about good guys, or gut buddies, and gang members. And the good guys, let’s start focusing on them first. The good guys actually like what are called prebiotics. Prebiotics are primarily what used to be called soluble fiber, and we’ll come to insoluble fiber in a little bit, but soluble fiber are long-chain sugars.

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Uh, they’re called polysaccharides, and these sugar molecules are very difficult for us to digest in our stomach and our small intestine. And they arrive undigested primarily into our colon, where they are eaten by the gut buddies. The more of these long-chain sugars that you eat, the more the gut buddies eat, and they make a little gut buddies. So you’ve got family after family of gut buddies. And what’s fascinating with soluble fiber is that you get giant poops because that soluble fiber is eaten by your gut buddies and they make more gut buddies, and so that’s where these big giant poops come from. Now, insoluble fiber is the exact opposite, and as it name implies, insoluble fiber cannot be digested by any bacteria. And what’s interesting about insoluble fiber is I like you to think of insoluble fiber as swallowing razor blades or nails, and there’s very good proof that insoluble fiber actually irritates the lining of your intestines, and you are so irritated from these razor blades going through you, that it makes you have a bowel movement.

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It actually stimulates you to have a bowel moment because you’re trying to get rid of these things. What’s fascinating is most insoluble fiber is from the halls of grains. So for instance, uh, wheat germ is all insoluble fiber. Wheat germ agglutinin is one of the worst lectins, and it’s insoluble fiber. The insoluble fiber on the lining of barley or rye, uh, is insoluble fiber. And so the things that so many people take to promote regularity are actually some of the worst things that you can use for bowel health. And I’ve talked about this in the past. This, the idea of fiber being healthy was discovered by an English s- surgeon, uh, by the name of Dennis Burkett. Uh, Eng- English sur- surgeons, and I was one of them, uh, in my training, are called Mr. Rather than doctor. So he is Mr. Dennis Burkett. And some people know him from Burkett’s lymphoma, which he discovered and named, but he was a, uh, colon surgeon who was, went on missionary work to Africa to operate on poor African people who had colon problems.

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And unfortunately, when he got there, he couldn’t find any colon disease. He couldn’t find diverticulosis, he couldn’t find diverticulitis, he couldn’t find colon cancer. And he said, “What the heck? You know, what am I gonna do down here?” And he became fascinated by the giant mountains of poops that these Africans would have. And he said, “Wow.” He, he became a poop fanatic. And he would go around following these Africans out into the field and measuring their poops, photographing their poops. And he said, “Wow, it’s these giant poops that are preventing them from having these colon diseases.” And he saw that they were primarily eating, uh, prebiotic fiber, mostly in the form of yams. And so he said, “Aha, it’s the fiber in these yams that they’re eating that makes them resistant to colon cancer and diverticulitis. So fiber is what we should be eating.” He got back to England and England had a lot of fibrous foods, but they were in the form of wheat and oats and rye and barley, and they actually didn’t have a lot of yams and sweet potatoes.

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He didn’t know, but he thought fiber is fiber. So the idea that you should be eating fiber came from him observing soluble fiber and not realizing that insoluble fiber was actually a problem. So that’s where the entire concept of fiber being beneficial. So people like Dr. Terry Walls and I will tell you that, you know, having these giant mounds of poop every day is a great idea. Now, should you have one or two or three, again, it really depends on how much soluble fiber is going into your diet every day. Now, as you know, Dr. Terry Walls would like you to eat about nine cups of vegetables every day. That’s a lot of vegetables. My wife, Penny, and I eat a giant mixing bowl of salad every day, and I would say that’s about, oh, six or seven cups of various lettuces and leaves every day.

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Uh, on the other hand, most people, uh, on a practical basis cannot do that. So that’s the way that the idea of getting prebiotics, either in a form of powder or even in the form of capsules came about. And there are a lot of ways to get prebiotics in you. Again, some of my favorite prebiotics are inulin. You can buy it as a powder. You can buy it as a sweetener. Uh, you can find it in, for instance, the sweetener sweet leaf. It’s also in the sweetener just like sugar. Inulin is very present in the chicory family of vegetables like, um, like radicchio, the Italian red lettuce. It’s not a lettuce at all. In Frise, in Belgian Endie, it’s really present in artichoke hearts and artichokes. It’s great in Jerusalem artichokes. Some people call it sun chokes. Another option that’s very cheap is you can get psyllium powder, which is a great prebiotic.

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You can actually use flaxseeds. Ground flaxseeds are a great prebiotic. Another option is to get yourself apple pectin. It’s readily available. It’s really cheap. It’s another great prebiotic. One of my favorite prebiotics is modified citrus pectin. Now, unfortunately, it’s pretty expensive, but it’s been actually shown to break up what are called biofilms of bad bacteria in your intestines. And I use it extensively in my patients who have, uh, really bad markers of biofilms in their intestines and, and we can measure this on blood tests.

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So many times what I see in most of my patients with diarrhea and/or constipation is they’re eating a very high lectin diet. And just remember that lectins break the tight junctions on the lining of our gut, and not only does that allow lectins into our gut wall, but spoiler alert, it’s actually the cause of water entering the wall, the lining of our gut and into our bowels. This was actually discovered by Dr. Fasano from Johns Hopkins who realized that cholera, and most of us have heard of cholera, it’s one of the most deadly diseases there is, and cholera victims die of massive, massive, watery diarrhea. And Dr. Fazano was fascinated with, “Well, why does the cholera bacteria cause this? ” And he found that the cholera bacteria actually broke tight junctions. And when those tight junctions broke, water from our bloodstream and our lymph flooded into our gut, and that caused the diarrhea.

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And it was that observation that he learned that gluten, which is a lectin, uses the exact same pathway as cholera does to break tight junctions. So spoiler alert number one, if you have a problem with diarrhea, the first thing I want you to do is get lectins out of your diet. And I think you’ll be rather impressed with what happens. And that’s one of the first things I do with any of my patients. The second warning I have, a lot of my patients with diarrhea do not realize that even foods in the future that are gonna be really good for you to eat, particularly raw vegetables, raw cruciferous vegetables in particular, have lectins in them. And believe it or not, there is a lectin in spinach that some of us react to, raw. When we ingest those and we’re having problems with diarrhea, it often makes the diarrhea worse.

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So if I have a patient with gut issues with diarrhea, I don’t let them have raw vegetables, raw cruciferous vegetables first. They can have them, but they basically gotta cook them within an inch of their life, particularly in a pressure cooker. So if you got diarrhea and you’re listening to me and you’re reading the Plant Paradox in there kind of hidden saying, “Hey, if you’ve got intestinal issues and diarrhea, don’t start with the three-day cleanse and don’t eat a lot of raw vegetables.” And it’s a really good trick to remember.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
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