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Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast, the weekly podcast where Dr. G gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.

Dr. Gundry: 00:15 Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Could your home be making you sick? Well, in some cases, the answer is definitely yes. In just a moment, I’ll speak with Autumn Boyle, the creator of the blog Lectin-Free Mama, one of the great blogs out there. After moving into a starter house with her husband seven years ago, Autumn began experiencing chronic fatigue, difficulty breathing, and a host of other health issues. Today she’s going to reveal the exact source of her problems, as well as how the right foods can help you bounce back from debilitating health issues. We’re also going to discuss the healing powers of a practice called neural retraining. Stay tuned. And how to raise kids The Plant Paradox style to help them grow healthy and strong. Autumn, welcome to the program.

Autumn Boyle: 01:09 Thank you so much for having me.

Dr. Gundry: 01:12 It’s great to have you on the show. In your blog, Lectin-Free Mama, you say you and your family were living the suburban dream when you bought your first house. But quickly, it became a suburban nightmare. Tell us about the health issues you experience and how you finally found out what the culprit was.

Autumn Boyle: 01:32 Yeah. We bought the house seven or eight years ago. We moved in. We noticed when we bought it that there was a big drainage issue. There was a standing pond of water in the backyard. At the time, it wasn’t a huge issue for us, so we bought the house. I was fine for a couple years. At the time I was working at a farm stand actually, I worked on a farm. It was a conventional farm, not organic. I was probably exposed to a lot of things working there. One of the first symptoms I noticed was that I was always tired. I would come home from work and I would just have to take a nap every single day. That was very unlike me. I’m very athletic. I do a lot of running, I’ve done half marathons and marathons, and I’ve done a lot of hiking. I’ve always been just a very energetic, ambitious person. It was very unlike me to have to take a nap every single day.
Of course, I was fine. That was really the only symptom I had until I became pregnant. When I got pregnant, it was like someone flipped a switch in my body. Everything started to go wrong. I had so many symptoms. And of course, when you’re pregnant, no doctor wants to touch you with a 10 foot pole. So they all said to me, “This will go away once you have the baby. This is just a difficult pregnancy, it’s fine.” And surprise, it didn’t go away when I had the baby. It actually got a lot worse.

Dr. Gundry: 03:19 Besides being fatigued, what were the other things that happened during the pregnancy and then didn’t go away?

Autumn Boyle: 03:26 Oh, gosh. My digestion just stopped. It was like every time I ate, I could feel it sitting in my stomach for hours. It just wouldn’t go anywhere. My digestion, I wasn’t sleeping very well because my adrenaline would rush at night. My whole body just felt off. Every system in my body was affected in some way. I thought it was just pregnancy. I thought it was because I was growing a human.

Dr. Gundry: 04:02 Right.

Autumn Boyle: 04:03 Yeah.

Dr. Gundry: 04:04 Yeah. And I’m sure your doctor said, “Well, yeah, you’re pregnant and you’ve got the nausea pregnancy,” and et cetera.

Autumn Boyle: 04:11 Oh, yeah.

Dr. Gundry: 04:11 Right?

Autumn Boyle: 04:12 Yeah, yup. After I gave birth, it was like my body just shut down. It was far worse than when I was pregnant. I gave birth and went through a really, really bad period of dizziness, numbness. I would have neurological issues where I couldn’t feel my limbs, and my digestion continued to get worse. And then the summer came and I had a pretty good summer. I always do well in the summertime. And then fall came around, and I started to have symptoms of dizziness, fatigue. I would stand up and my heart rate just wouldn’t go down. My heart rate was constantly high. That was the year … actually, a few months later, after those had been started, I of course was doing all my own research at the time because I went to a ton of doctors, and none of them could tell me what was going on. I started to see a specialist for POTS. That’s postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome. I was diagnosed with that in spring after I had my daughter.
I thought that was the answer. I was like, yay, a diagnosis. But it’s a very unhelpful diagnosis. It really doesn’t mean anything because they don’t know what caused it. They just told me to drink a lot of water, and eat some salt, and tilt the head of my mattress. That was their advice pretty much. They had me try a lot of different drugs and none of them really helped. That was what led up to me finding The Plant Paradox.

Dr. Gundry: 06:09 How’d you discover The Plant Paradox? Dr. Google, or what?

Autumn Boyle: 06:13 Yes. I was actually researching the concept of leaky gut because I thought that might be, since I was having digestive issues as well, I thought maybe that was what was going on. So I researched leaky gut on Amazon and I bought the first book that I found on the subject, which happened to be The Plant Paradox. I started reading that. I started to implement it before I even finished the book. I just dove right in 100% committed. I never commit halfway to anything, so I really was all in. It helped. It helped so much. Almost all of my symptoms went away within a few months, except for POTS. My POTS continued to ebb and flow. I would think that I was cured of it. I would last a few months, and then it would start to creep back in. I recognized a pattern that I was feeling really good in the summertime. And then in the fall, when the season changes occurred, my POTS would creep back in again. I was fine with this. The Plant Paradox helped every single other symptom I had.

Dr. Gundry: 07:37 Okay. Actually, you’re one of the few people that I treat with POTS that POTS doesn’t go away. It sounds like yours would wax and wane, it would get better and then … it almost sounds seasonally. Is that correct?

Autumn Boyle: 07:54 Seasonally, yes. And I would sometimes experience hourly changes. I told my POTS doctor, I said, “I only have POTS sometimes during the day. And other times during the day, I’m totally fine.” He could not explain it. He said that was actually very unusual for even POTS patients to have such a waxing and waning of symptoms hourly. I actually attribute a lot of the good times to doing The Plant Paradox because I did not have 24 hour symptoms. I felt fine a lot of the time, and then sometimes I would have the POTS symptoms. But it gave me such a false sense of hope because it would go away sometimes, and then I’d be like, “Yay, it worked!” And then it would come back. But I’ve since discovered something else that really helps.

Dr. Gundry: 08:59 Yeah. And we’re going to get into that in just a minute. But about a year ago, you decided to become extra restrictive. You found out this probably wasn’t for you. Can you tell me what you decided to be really restricted? Did you find a middle ground that worked?

Autumn Boyle: 09:21 I did. Again, last summer I had a really great summer. And then in the fall, I started to experience symptoms again of POTS. I thought, well, I’m going to give this animal protein restriction a try. I’m going to reduce that, start to eat more vegan. I’m going to start fasting more. I started to do those things. Of course, this coincided with the season changes. It rained for three weeks when I started to do that. It was like every single stressor hit my body at once, and I could not handle it. I got far, far sicker than I have ever been last fall. I couldn’t get better. I had to give up tons more foods. I was doing multiple diets. I was trying to give up histamines, FODMAP, oxalate. It was like nothing helped. I was reacting to almost every food I put in my body. I became so sensitive to the mold in our basement that I had to move out of my house. I was taking dozens of supplements. Even yoga was too stressful for my body. I was doing detox, mold binders, limiting my wifi exposure.
I just felt so helpless because I was doing every right, and I couldn’t get better. It’s almost a blessing and a curse to have such a … I have a social media presence and I have this online platform. I see so many people having success on this diet, and then I have to be the one that says, “Well, it’s not working for me anymore.” Something happened. There’s something missing from my puzzle that I’m not getting. I was very aware that I wasn’t addressing something that I needed to address, and I didn’t know what it was. And I have a feeling I’m not the only one, actually. I think there are quite a few people who feel the way I did, they’re doing everything right and it’s still not working. I just want to encourage those people to not give up. There are so many therapies to try in conjunction with what you’re already doing diet wise. There’s hope. I’ll share soon what I found.

Dr. Gundry: 12:13 Okay. Now, tell me about the mold in your basement because you mentioned the pond out back. How was that discovered? It sounds like moving out of the house didn’t fix the problem.

Autumn Boyle: 12:38 Well, it did. That was the thing. Everything I tried, all the things that I avoided worked initially. When I started to avoid additional foods, that helped for a few weeks, and then my body would become sensitive to something else. When I moved out of my house, I was better for a few weeks, and then I became sensitive to other things. So avoidance was no longer working for me. We discovered the mold … I mean, I knew there was mold in our house because I could see it on the walls in our basement. It was very obvious that we had it, I just didn’t think anything of it. I didn’t think someone could be so sensitive to it until I was.

Dr. Gundry: 13:25 Well, I’m going to come back to the mold after you tell us about what finally worked. But I think this is a great place to take a break. We will be right back to the podcast. See you on the other side.
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Welcome back to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. We’re talking about all the things you can do to change your life around that aren’t working. We’re talking with Lectin-Free Mama, of course. You’re going to tell us now about everything that went wrong, and how you fixed it. And neural retraining, what the heck is that?

Autumn Boyle: 14:29 Oh, thank you so much for letting me talk about this because I feel like my journey is a little different than a lot of your patients because a lot of times, giving up all those foods works. That’s the thing that gets them better. For me, being so restrictive made it worse, made me worse. I was thinking, it’s not something external that’s causing this. There’s got to be something wrong with my body or my brain that’s causing all of these symptoms, and causing me to becomes so sensitive to everything. I first heard about it from Dr. Jason Fung because I follow him for a lot of his fasting advice. He mentioned that fasting will fix a lot of things, but it will not fix a maladapted stress response. I was like, hm, what’s that? I started to look into that and realized that that’s what I was experiencing.
It’s basically where your brain becomes so overloaded with stressors that it breaks. Your response to stress breaks. The filter in your brain that’s in charge of telling you what’s dangerous and what’s not is so on high alert that everything becomes dangerous. That’s what I was experiencing is I was on high alter all the time. No matter what I did to avoid certain things, everything was triggering me. I started this treatment called neural retraining. It’s a different approach to healing. Rather than avoiding the things that are making you react, which for me was impossible because everything was making me react. Rather than avoiding those things, you do these neural exercises that help you to change your physiological response to triggers. Not only is that possible, but it works really fast. I’ve been doing this for two months now and I’m already eating, I’m back to eating every single thing on The Plant Paradox yes list. I’ve even reintroduced some phase three things.

Dr. Gundry: 17:10 Yay!

Autumn Boyle: 17:13 Oh, my gosh. I feel liberated. I no longer have a fear of food. I’ve overcome all of my reactions to foods. I can go into any buildings now. I used to react when I went into old buildings. I no longer react. I can go into churches, and libraries, and old moldy water damaged coffee houses, and I don’t have a reaction.

Dr. Gundry: 17:43 What involves neuro retraining? Describe what the process is because I’m sure most of my listeners have no idea what you’re talking about.

Autumn Boyle: 18:00 There are a few different programs out there. The one that I’m doing was developed by Annie Hopper. I’m not sure if you’re familiar with her. But it’s so hard to describe this. I really hope I can get this right and describe this well. It involves purposely triggering symptoms, and then using a set of neurological exercises to change your body’s response mechanisms. Every day, I will trigger myself a little more. I’m actually doing that with exercise. I started with just one minute of jogging, and that was enough to make my body react. I go through the exercises. The exercises are very, they’re repetitive. You use your happiest emotions and your happiest memories to recreate a neurological state in your brain and your body that will help you to change your physiological response.

Dr. Gundry: 19:14 Give me an example of what do you do to find that happy place? Is that mom and dad taking you out for ice cream at age six, or? Give me an example.

Autumn Boyle: 19:27 Oh, it can be anything. It has to be a really powerful memory because it has to trigger those neurotransmitters in your brain that are going to change the state of your body. I find it so fascinating that there’s a part of your brain that isn’t aware of where you are. If you’re thinking about a memory of something that happened in the past, there’s a part of your brain that’s literally experiencing that again. It’s just as if you are there. So you do that over and over, every single day. I practice for an hour a day. And then I also use it when I have a reaction sometimes during the day. If I ever experience symptoms, I’ll recreate some of these memories. Yeah, they’re very powerful memories that I recall.
And then the other part is future visualization. So I recall these memories, and then I think about something that would be a struggle for me, like walking into my moldy house, or walking into an old building. And then I apply that physiological, neurological state that I’ve just created, I apply that to the future visualization. I imagine myself being healthy, and strong and resilient.

Dr. Gundry: 21:00 There are a number of programs in neural retraining that actually use electrodes on your brain, and measuring EEGs, and the stress response, and then have you actually look at computer screens of various happy things. So you didn’t have to do that?

Autumn Boyle: 21:23 No, I did not do any of that. Although, it’d be very interesting to see what happens in the brain when you do this. The program I’m doing right now is actually going through clinical trials in Canada. They’re going to be measuring all that stuff, what changes are happening in the brain and how those changes affect the body.

Dr. Gundry: 21:45 Well, it’s definitely true that there is a gut brain connection, but there’s clearly a brain gut connection as well. The power of the brain, as you’re finding out, is very important in what happens to the gut.

Autumn Boyle: 22:03 Yes. It was the other half of the equation for me because I was doing everything right diet wise, but my poor response to stress was sabotaging my gut buddies. I mean, I could tell.

Dr. Gundry: 22:21 No, and that’s actually very well shown that stress on the brain actually changes the gut microbiome. I reference that in The Longevity Paradox. It also changes how your immune system reacts to the gut microbiome as well.

Autumn Boyle: 22:43 Yeah.

Dr. Gundry: 22:44 All right. You didn’t just adopt a lectin-free lifestyle for yourself, you’ve been raising your young daughter this way, lectin-free. What influenced your decision to raise her that way, and how is she doing?

Autumn Boyle: 22:58 Oh, she’s doing so well. There really was no deciding moment where I was like, okay, I have to raise her this way. It was just that’s the way that we were eating, and I wasn’t going to make her a separate meal. So I fed her all of the things that I was eating, and she took to them really well. Of course, before I read The Plant Paradox, I was going the traditional route. I read The Plant Paradox when she turned one. Before then, I was feeding her what her pediatrician recommended, which was all the cereals, and grains and all that stuff. That’s how we started her off. But after I read The Plant Paradox, I thought, well, I’m just going to give her the foods that I’m eating. And she really likes them.

Dr. Gundry: 23:51 How old is she now?

Autumn Boyle: 23:53 She’s three.

Dr. Gundry: 23:55 Okay. What happens when she goes to a friend’s house? Or does she go to pre-school yet?

Autumn Boyle: 24:03 She does. She goes to pre-school. Luckily, last year we found a pre-school where we could pack her lunch. That was actually a huge deciding factor in which pre-school we chose because a lot of them provide lunch, and they’re all according to the government guidelines of whole grain everything. I just was like, nope, that’s not on our list. We chose a pre-school where we could pack her lunch. The pre-school she attends now is only half a day, so we don’t really have to worry about that at the moment. And she doesn’t go over to friend’s houses yet, so I’m not quite sure how we’re going to navigate that in the future.
I’m very blessed in that she has no health issues at all. She’s very healthy. I’m going to walk the line between letting her experience an ice cream cone sometimes, and then, of course, feeding her great things at home. And also educating her about food, and proper preparation methods, and how to make things less lectin-full, you know? How to pressure cook, and even how to ferment. Fermentation is such great way to reduce lectins in things. It’s so fun. It’s like a science experiment in your kitchen. I can’t wait to introduce her to that. I think it’s going to be a lot of fun teaching her about food.

Dr. Gundry: 25:42 What advice would you give to other parents who just go, “Oh man, trying to get my kid to eat this way is just overwhelming.” What do you tell the folks listening?

Autumn Boyle: 25:57 I feel lucky in that we started her so early on these foods that that’s what she’s used to. You look at kids from all over the world in different cultures, and they’re eating crazy things that our kids would not dream of eating. But you can change a kid’s palette. They might be resistant at first, but I have found what works for me, if she doesn’t like something, I often discover that she doesn’t like the way it’s been prepared. It’s not that she doesn’t like that specific thing. I’ll saute something in olive oil and give it to her, and she won’t like it. But then I’ll sneak it into a soup or a casserole, and she’ll eat it. My advice is just keep serving something over and over in different ways, if you can. Rather than writing it off as, oh, my kid doesn’t like this thing, just keep trying. She’s done that so often where she won’t eat something maybe six or seven times, and then she’ll start eating it. I keep an open mind as to what she might like to try next.

Dr. Gundry: 27:13 I think that’s great advice, yeah. I tell anyone who will listen that a little child in Japan doesn’t come out of the womb thinking that seaweed is what he or she wants to eat.

Autumn Boyle: 27:26 Yeah.

Dr. Gundry: 27:29 My two grandchildren have been raised by my daughter and her husband on The Plant Paradox program, literally, since they were born. They’re five and three now. I can still remember pictures, I think I posted it on Instagram, of my grandchild who was one years old. He was at the dinner table and his dad was trying to get him to eat some humanely raised spare ribs, but all he wanted was broccoli. He would just push the spare ribs away and grab another handful of broccoli. Here’s a one-year-old eating broccoli.

Autumn Boyle: 28:10 My daughter is the same way. She eats salad. She loves greens. We go out to restaurants, and people will actually stop by our table, and they’ll say, “I have never seen a toddler eat salad before.” They think it’s some sort of miracle, but it’s just because we’ve exposed her to it so often. I always give her a handful of greens. If she doesn’t eat them, she doesn’t eat them. But a lot of times she will. It’s just giving her the option to do it.

Dr. Gundry: 28:42 Yeah, I think that’s great advice. That’s why I wrote The Plant Paradox Family Cookbook because I have two young grandchildren, and I wanted to help my daughter who’s committed to this. I have so many patients of my own who are children or teenagers who have incredibly horrible health issues with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis, or Crohn’s, or ulcerative colitis. A big part of my impetus in all of this was to give particularly mothers, and dads and families ways to get their kids to eat healthy, to give their kids a great microbiome from the start. We’re finding more, and more, and more and more that the better we can make our kids microbiome diverse and happy, they’re not going to have the asthma issues, or the eczema issues, or the obesity issues. It’s not going to happen to them.
It’s never too early to start. I can tell you as a children’s heart surgeon for all of my career that I would operate on children as young as eight, or nine or 10, and I would already see plaques in the arteries of their aorta, the main blood vessel that came out, cholesterol plaques, in these young children. The experience from the Vietnam War of these young men, 17, 18, 19 years old, who were killed. On autopsy, they already had plaques in their coronary arteries and in their aorta. I think the important message that I want to get out and you certainly want to get out is that the earlier you start at this, the better you give your kids a chance for a great, long life. They didn’t come out of the box needing chicken McNuggets and Kraft macaroni and cheese. They really didn’t.

Autumn Boyle: 30:55 Yeah. I feel almost lucky to have gone through what I have gone through because I can pass this on to my daughter. I’ve suffered from allergies my whole life. The day I was born, I had an allergic reaction to a gown that someone put on me that had fragrance on it. That was the first sign I was going to have a tough childhood as far as allergies, and eczema, and asthma. Of course, I don’t blame my parents. They were feeding me what-

Dr. Gundry: 31:34 Sure.

Autumn Boyle: 31:34 Was supposed to be healthy and convenient. I feel lucky to have the knowledge I have now, and to be able to pass that onto my daughter. I feel it’s going to help a lot in reversing this epidemic of allergic disease. It really is going to help.

Dr. Gundry: 31:54 Other than salad, does your daughter have a favorite recipe or two?

Autumn Boyle: 31:59 She does. This is Amara, this is my daughter. I have some sample recipes here of the recipes that I would send my email subscribers. I don’t think I talked about that, actually.

Dr. Gundry: 32:15 Well, since you’re going to mention what you send out, maybe this is a good point to tell us how people find you.

Autumn Boyle: 32:24 Oh, okay. My website is lectinfreemama.com. When I started the website, I quickly realized that emailing was a lot easier than uploading recipes to the website. So I started an email subscriber list that I would send out five recipes a week to my subscribers, five Plant Paradox dinner recipes. I have kept that up now for almost three years-

Dr. Gundry: 32:54 Wow!

Autumn Boyle: 32:55 I still send them out every Friday, I send out recipes to my subscribers. And I have hundreds of recipes in my collection. I have a few here. I have a few of her favorite recipes. The first one we have is plantain crusted salmon and cauliflower mash. Do you like plantain chips?

Amara: 33:20 Uh-huh (affirmative).

Dr. Gundry: 33:20 Uh-huh (affirmative).

Autumn Boyle: 33:22 She loves plantain chips, so I use them as breading on the salmon.

Dr. Gundry: 33:28 Great idea.

Autumn Boyle: 33:29 Do you like cauliflower?

Amara: 33:32 Yes.

Autumn Boyle: 33:33 Do you like it with butter?

Amara: 33:33 Yeah.

Autumn Boyle: 33:35 Of course she loves it with butter.

Dr. Gundry: 33:37 Of course.

Autumn Boyle: 33:38 Okay. That’s one of them. Another one I have is Asian sesame sweet potato noodles. Do you like noodles?

Amara: 33:46 Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Autumn Boyle: 33:48 What’s your favorite noodle?

Amara: 33:53 My favorite noodle is that one.

Autumn Boyle: 33:56 Those ones? These are her favorite noodles.

Dr. Gundry: 33:58 The sweet potato noodle.

Autumn Boyle: 34:00 They’re spiralized sweet potato noodles. And I mix them with tahini, coconut amino, ginger, olive oil, sesame oil. Oh, they’re really good. And then you sprinkle on some scallions and sesame seeds.

Dr. Gundry: 34:15 Oh, my gosh. Can we come over for dinner tonight please?

Autumn Boyle: 34:18 Yeah.

Dr. Gundry: 34:19 What’s next for you and Lectin-Free Mama, besides raising this beautiful child?

Autumn Boyle: 34:26 Yeah, most of my time is devoted to that. I do what I can when I have the time. I would love to do maybe a cookbook or something, but it’s just not in the cards right now. I’m maintaining what I’m doing now, basically sending out recipes to my subscribers every week. I maintain a Facebook group that has over 15 thousand members. We give a lot of support in that group to people who are trying this diet. It’s really great. I’m so blessed to have people that are interested in what I have to make, and just people who are willing to participate in a support group like that. It’s been really great.

Dr. Gundry: 35:14 Well, thank you for doing that. We all appreciate it as well. You’ve been great support for so many people. As you know, there’s a segment of the show for the audience question. We’re going to have you give me the audience questions today. How’s that?

Autumn Boyle: 35:33 Yeah, sounds good. Some of these are based on my own journey, of course. Do you feel that there are any dangers or downsides to giving up too many foods in addition to the no list? And if so, what is your recommendation for people who are navigating multiple food sensitivities?

Dr. Gundry: 35:53 Well, I think an elimination diet, however we want to describe that, is actually a very good idea for most people with multiple sensitivities. I’ve found through the years that while the vast majority of people do really well just following the yes and no list, as I’ve done this longer and longer and have more sophisticated tests, there’s absolutely a group of people that will react to raw vegetables, particularly raw greens. And that they need to cook them within an inch of their lives, or nuke them, or make them sauces or soups. The other thing is I’m finding certain individuals absolutely react to not only casein A1, but casein A2, and even whey in milk. So we eliminate milk in those people. And I’m finding a surprising number of people that react to eggs, either egg white or egg yolk. In those folks, I do take those away. Now, I don’t in general go all the way to the carnivore diet, where we take away all plant materials. But we’ve had podcasts where we’ve discussed there’s nothing wrong with that for a short term, but we’re talking a short term rather than a long term solution.
The other thing, I think, there is a portion of the population that can get addicted to having a very restrictive diet. I think that’s why particularly, let’s just categorize young women in particular, this is probably not a good idea to severely restrict a diet. And I’ve said that before. I have a daughter who’s now grown and thriving, who was anorexic and bulimic. So I’m very cognizant of those things. Again, she’s fine now and actually follows my program for the last 15 years. It’s actually one of the things that broke her out of her spiral. Anyhow, that’s another story. Okay, second question.

Autumn Boyle: 38:22 I told you about the neural retraining. Is there any recommendations that you have to increase the body’s resilience to stress so that maybe we wouldn’t be so sensitive?

Dr. Gundry: 38:36 Well, I think there’s so many things that you can do. There’s fascinating data that the more time you spend outdoors, particularly in a park, or woods, or a forest, the better off you’re going to be. My person feeling is that every human being should have a dog or a cat. One thing a dog does is it makes you go outside for a walk twice a day. The other thing that I find dogs very useful for is they are great socialization creatures because if you’re walking a dog, the odds are other people are going to interact with you. Get yourself a cute dog. Although, I have three cute dogs and one rescue dog, but he’s just as wonderful as my cute dogs. Those are things.
The other thing, I think, meditation, and however you view meditation. For instance, you thinking of some of the happiest moments of your life is a form of meditation at its very core. I think you finding this was a brilliant salvation for stopping your brain from short circuiting.

Autumn Boyle: 40:02 Yeah. Okay, the last question I have is about kids. Do you have any general supplement recommendations for kids that have no health issues? Just healthy kids, is there anything we can give them to boost nutrition?

Dr. Gundry: 40:19 Yeah. In The Plant Paradox Family Cookbook, I have a whole section on supplements for kids. I think one of the most important things is you’ve got to get DHA, which is a component of fish oil, or also in algae based DHA into kids. The evidence is overwhelming that kids will do better in school, their intellect will be better, their brains will be bigger. There’s good controlled studies on this. So get them some fish oil. It’s easy to get in it. If you get cod liver oil, you can hide it in salad dressings, or even in soups. There’s no fishy taste to good, quality cod liver oil.

Autumn Boyle: 41:03 Oh, she loves cod liver oil.

Dr. Gundry: 41:07 Yeah. That’s just an easy thing to do. The other thing is really, from an early start, get small amounts of vitamin D in them, particularly in northern climates. We really don’t have enough vitamin D. That’s just a quick overview of what’s in the book.

Autumn Boyle: 41:07 Okay.

Dr. Gundry: 41:26 Okay. Unfortunately, that’s all we got time for on today’s podcast. I really appreciate you being here. Please, folks, go to her website, go to her Instagram, go to her Facebook page, Lectin-Free Mama. Thanks again. It’s great meeting you in person, kind of in person.

Autumn Boyle: 41:48 I know. It’s been so great to see you and talk to you. Thank you so much for having me on.

Dr. Gundry: 41:52 All right. That’s it for the Dr. Gundry Podcast. We’ll see you next week. Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Before you go, I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you want to watch each episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast, you could always find me on YouTube at YouTube.com/DrGundry, because I’m Dr. Gundry and I’m always looking out for you.