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Lauryn Bosstick (00:33):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast, the weekly podcast where Dr. G gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.
Dr. Gundry (00:48):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Well, my guests today have tapped into the minds of master motivators like my good friend Tony Robbins, exercise gurus like my friend Jillian Michaels and health experts like yours truly. So today they’re going to share what they’ve learned from these brilliant minds, not mine, the challenges they’ve faced building their company, and what a company, and what it’s been like to do it as a couple.
And that’s probably what I want to know the most. So they’re Lauryn Evarts Bosstick and Michael Bosstick, the dynamic duo behind The Skinny Confidential, a blog, a book, a podcast and a YouTube channel. And they’re also founders of the female focus media network, Dear Media. And I think you can see it right there. So three of us are going to talk about how you can use honesty and authenticity to help others.
And Lauryn’s coped with the challenges of motherhood that she’s going to share with us and the most important life lessons they’ve learned from their many podcast guests. Well, welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast.
Lauryn Bosstick (02:01):
Thank you for having us.
Dr. Gundry (02:02):
So great to see you again.
Michael Bosstick (02:03):
Thank you for having us. I mean, you were just on our show for the second time. Love having you, wealth of knowledge, always take up so much of your time there because we have so many questions. So it’ll be fun to have it flipped on us for a little bit.
Dr. Gundry (02:13):
All right. So first question, what has the quarantine been like for you guys as a couple?
Michael Bosstick (02:20):
Oh, I think my wife is just more obsessed with me now than ever. It’s been interesting. We have a five month old now. It’s definitely a unique time to bring a baby into the world.
Lauryn Bosstick (02:33):
The quarantine is interesting being five months postpartum and having to lose weight. I mean, you can be active, but you can’t be as active as you once were. And then it’s also interesting to be in business with your significant other and have them simultaneously working on his business, which is Dear Media and me simultaneously working on The Skinny Confidential in the same house with conference calls.
Michael Bosstick (02:56):
I mean, before, we’re in my office right now, we worked together on a lot of things and obviously we host a show together. And from the outside perspective, it looks like we’re always together, but really the day to day for both of us, well, she went to her office, I went to mine, we connect at the end of the day.
Sometimes we do the show together. Now we are literally on top of each other in our house with a new baby, working on both things after already roughing through the challenges of working together as a couple. So we’ve definitely had to beef up our business dance a little bit more, I would say it in a nice way.
Dr. Gundry (03:29):
So now wait a minute. So your new company is the female focused Dear Media?
Michael Bosstick (03:37):
Yeah. So it’s interesting, going through the inception of Dear Media, I was always a commerce executive for 10 years running commerce based brands. The most recent one was a company called Jet-Bed, making beds for corporate and private aircraft. You could not get further from podcasting, from a female focus network, than literally making beds for corporate and private aircraft, right? That’s what I was doing.
Lauryn had started her blog close to 10 years. Most of our original listeners on the podcast were her readers from the blog. We started a podcast, self produced it, as a platform to tips and tricks on how to build a brand, how to market, how to build an online business, dating advice, health and wellness advice.
And during that process, we joined another prominent podcast network. Didn’t have the most conducive experience for us, went back to self producing. And along that way realized like, “Wow, we’ve kind of figured out a different way to do this and we’re talking to a lot of women.” So we both had this crazy idea like, “What if we started this network that was targeted to primarily female audiences, catered to female demographics and helps amplify female hosts?” It was very male dominant for a long time.
Dr. Gundry (04:43):
Michael Bosstick (04:43):
And one of my biggest contentions in the beginning was like, okay, how is this going to be perceived me heading up a network that primarily speaks to females? But what we ultimately decided is I had been talking to 95% women with my wife for so long. We had engaged with so many different women on the network. We had so many different female hosts that we had worked with on the platform and said, “Okay, it makes some sense. And what if we could create a place where men and women were helping to amplify these voices?”
And so ultimately I said, “Okay, I’ll take that on.” 40 shows later, and here we are, that’s how many we have under management in a quick amount of time. But it’s been an interesting experience because I’m not a media executive by trade, I’m a commerce guy that’s found my way into media.
Dr. Gundry (05:26):
So that’s a good segue. So you went into real estate in 2008. Now we have a lot of people who are almost at wits’ ends. Maybe their job is gone, maybe it will never come back the way they thought. But a lot of people are going, “Well, I’m stuck. I really didn’t like my job a whole lot.” Is this the time to do something?
Lauryn Bosstick (05:52):
I think it’s absolutely the time to do something. I think instead of looking at this as a negative, I think you need to disrupt your thoughts and think of how you can find a creative, strategic angle to do what you want to do. So if I was someone right now that had just lost my job, I would be focused on the entrepreneurial part of my brain. What can you provide to consumers?
We have the internet now. It’s not too saturated. We’re dealing with the world. What is a unique perspective that you can provide to people? And I would be focusing on it at least eight hours a day. You have that time. And what I used to do, I always say that I went to college for four years. I did that. And I learned more bartending at night and blogging during the day than I did in college.
Get a job that is something that you can do your own side hustle on and work at night, or work during the day and then work on your side hustle at night. Find those jobs that give you the ability to be able to work on your own thing, something towards what you really want to do as opposed to working for someone else doing something that you absolutely hate.
Michael Bosstick (07:00):
What I’ve said during this time is it’s been like a great reset for a lot of people, right? And I think without something like this, there’s a lot of people that would have maybe stayed in jobs they don’t like, maybe continued to pursue a career that they’re not passionate about and maybe continued to work with people they don’t like.
And I think this has been something that’s forced individuals to look at themselves in the mirror honestly and decide like, “Hey, is this really what I want to be doing anyway?” And in conjunction with that, it’s also, okay, well maybe you don’t have the ability to continue doing that in the first place so maybe now you got to look at something else.
Everything I’ve ever done in my career has been kind of a forced event where it’s like, “Okay, that’s not working any longer. I’m going to pivot and do something else.” And so if you can find any silver lining in what’s going on right now, it’s maybe taking an honest look at yourself and saying, “Hey, this is maybe one door closes, another one opens to something that I really want to do.”
Dr. Gundry (07:48):
So I mean, where do you get the ideas or how do you pull this off, I guess is the big question. Okay, you learned a lot bartending and maybe you learned that you’re really good at talking to people, but I think so many people go, “Well, how do I pull this off?”
Lauryn Bosstick (08:11):
The first thing you do is you sit down and you write down everything you love. And I don’t mean what you love in a career. I mean, what you love. So it’s like if Lauryn Evarts was going back to 11 years ago when I started the blog, this is so stupid, but I wrote down scrapbooking. I wrote down talking to people and picking their brain, I wrote down taking photos, I wrote down writing.
I wrote down all the things that I loved to do. And it could be as simple as that you love to be behind a computer, seriously. So you just write down everything you love and then you look at careers that you can do all of those things. So for me, scrapbooking, that was a blog, right? Using photos, taking photos, putting them on a blog, writing, being behind a computer was one I liked, to be behind a computer. And you creatively sort of create your own future with those things that you like.
And I know obviously you have to make money, which is why you need the side hustle. So I always say, instead of going and working for all these different professionals in all these different fields and seeing what you like, I say, double down on what you love of your list on your side hustle and work a service industry job at night and during the day so, like I said earlier, you’re putting your energy towards building something that you really, really love. That’s where I think there’s longevity in a career, in doing something that you really like.
Michael Bosstick (09:34):
And to add to that, I think what I would say and what I’ve realized over my 10, 12 years of being an entrepreneur and I still got a long way to go, is that ideas don’t necessarily make success. I mean, that’s why they call them starving artists, you have the best idea in the world but you’re not doing something.
And what I’ve learned in my personal career is that people that focus too much on ideas, a lot of the times don’t get anywhere. They hold themselves back because it’s a big idea, they want it to be perfect and they never end up doing anything. If you take this podcast network, for example, this started with Lauryn and I sitting down at a bar in Cabo San Lucas having margaritas and us looking at each other saying, “Hey, you know what’d be fun? If we started a podcast where we got to talk to your audience.” That was literally how this whole thing started.
Over time by putting a show out every single week, editing it, producing it, putting it out to the world, marketing it, started to take off. We said, “Okay, maybe there’s a business here.” Then it evolved and said, “Okay, maybe we can help other people in this business.” Then it evolved, said, “Okay, we can maybe do other things from podcasts. Maybe there’s a brand that exists, maybe there’s a product line, maybe there’s a service.”
I mean, it all started by taking a lot of action. I always tell people we’ve been doing this now for 300 episodes. We’ve never missed a week. We’ve consistently week after week, after week. It’s not easy, but it’s been a lot of action that has led to tangible ideas like Dear Media, like The Skinny Confidential.
Lauryn Bosstick (10:55):
And also just playing off what he said, know your medium. If you don’t like to be in front of a camera, don’t launch a YouTube channel, launch an audio platform. If you don’t like to write, then don’t launch a blog. Don’t do it just because everyone else is doing it. Figure out how to curate it towards what you love and what you’re good at.
Michael Bosstick (11:15):
Well, look at what you’ve done Dr. Gundry. I mean, you started as a medical doctor and then you have a product line, you have books, you have a podcast. All these things is by taking massive action and being a practitioner in your space. And I think if you would have asked any of us years and years ago would all these different things exist, it would have been like, “Ah, what are you talking about? I’m just trying to be a doctor. I’m just trying to run a podcast.” It’s just like these opportunities present themselves if you’re looking for them and you’re constantly working.
Dr. Gundry (11:38):
I think you’re right. I’ll bring an example of my wife, Penny. About 20 years ago, we were in New York city and we’re going down the street and there’s a cute little handbag made out of raffia and leather, it’s in a circle. And she buys it and I don’t know, it was $200. And so she starts wearing it.
And wherever we went people would stop and say, “That’s a really cool handbag. I’ve never seen anything like that. Where’d you get it?” And then she said, “Oh, there’s a guy in New York city. He’s kind of selling out the back of a van almost.” And so she comes to me… and my wife was a Pan Am flight attendant though part of her career was in real estate. And she said, “I think there’s a business in this.” And I said, “Well, what would you do?”
She said, “Well, I need to go find this guy. And he imports them from Vietnam and I think there’s a business here.” So sure enough, we actually meet him in a McDonald’s in New York city and sign a deal and she gets this little space on El Paseo, which is the rodeo drive of Palm Desert. And she’s now had the store for 18 years. And my daughter now runs the store and she doesn’t even carry him anymore, that came.
Now she spends her time going literally around the world finding designers that nobody else has, particularly handbags and accessories. And so just this, I bought a purse in New York city and now she’s quite a mogul in her own right of handbags and accessories for women.
Lauryn Bosstick (11:38):
It’s a great example.
Michael Bosstick (13:20):
We talk to a lot of young people on the show and I don’t pretend to have all the answers, I’m in my mid thirties myself. So there’s a lot of people in much further along the path in both online and entrepreneurial careers. But we talk to a lot of young people, people getting out of school, people getting out of college looking for the thing.
And I say just get started doing something, just do something, go work somewhere, intern for someone, just start taking action and keep your eyes open and look. Because I think a lot of young people get so in their heads about having to have this massive idea and it overwhelms them and then they never get started. And what I point out is most of the things we’ve done have just been things we’ve found along the way for trying and working our asses off.
Lauryn Bosstick (13:56):
It’s kind of like the purse.
Dr. Gundry (13:59):
I think you said something important and that is working your ass off. Everybody loves get rich quick stories. Did that happen to you guys? Instantaneously you were top of the world, or…
Lauryn Bosstick (14:17):
I was a bartender. I literally had $80 in my bank account. This was 11 years ago and I decided to start a blog. And I did not make one dime, not one dime for three years and I blogged seven days a week. So anyone that thinks blogging is a get rich quick thing, it’s definitely not. That’s been my experience. Maybe there’s some people…
Dr. Gundry (14:42):
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Lauryn Bosstick (15:14):
Not a dime because I knew that I was building a community and an audience. And I knew eventually that I was establishing myself as a brand. I went into it a year before I launched knowing that I was building a brand and I was building a house of brick instead of a house of straw. And I loved what I was doing. And I knew that consistency and discipline and patience and working every single day on something and execution would eventually lead to something. And I don’t know how I knew that, I just inherently knew it.
And I was very careful. There were people that offered money here and there, but it wasn’t the right move for the brand. So I was very methodical about how I laid it out. I also was making money at my bartending jobs. So this is why I say have your side hustle and then have your job where you’re making an income. And going back, I would tell people do not expect to make money overnight on social media. Everyone that I’ve talked to and interviewed has said the same thing. It’s putting in the work day after day after day, even if it’s for free.
Michael Bosstick (16:17):
I have a personal rule now that if I’m not building an asset, I’m not going to build it, right? It has to be something that I can tangibly take and transfer that value to someone else. If it’s not an asset… I’ve been involved in businesses before, it’s these get rich quick things. You can see things on the internet, like buy these courses.
People do this and it’s fine, but there’s nothing there to actually buy or sell. And so there’s no real intrinsic value. And as soon as that well dries up, you’re onto the next. So I think both Lauryn and I realized early on in our careers, fortunately, that this path is definitely a much harder, longer path. But at the end, it’s much more valuable because it’s not something you can just take away.
Let’s take the podcast for example, that we host. We still produce it with our own network now, we don’t answer to any big network. We don’t answer to any agents or manager, it’s our thing we could do. And really the only people that could take it away from us, not the advertisers, because there’s always more advertisers and there’s always more dollars.
So again, the only people that decide if something could be taken away is the audience, right? The listeners decide is this something we like or not? And so that’s not something you can build overnight. It’s something that you have to water like a fine garden every single week. And you have to make sure you’re providing value and you have to make sure it’s building an asset.
And so young people or anyone that’s thinking about, “Hey, I’m doing this thing and it’s this get rich quick,” I would just say you have a lot of exposure there. And as soon as that goes away, you’re back to square one. And so we would much rather take the time to build over years and years and years something that you can actually tangibly take or sell or transfer as opposed to just doing something quick for a few months or a year.
Lauryn Bosstick (17:51):
It’s been an incredible lesson too. Because when we launched the podcast, I didn’t expect to make money right away. In fact, in my head, I wasn’t thinking, “Okay, and we’re not going to make money for two years.” And I was completely fine with that. I was completely fine with the doing the work, week after week putting the work in because I knew the money would come.
And I think that what it really comes down to is what your intention is. If your intention is to just get rich quick, the audience feels that. But if your intention is to provide valuable, tangible takeaways for the audience to apply to their own life, then I think that they feel that. And eventually it does grow into a brand. It does grow into a book. It does grow into an ebook and a product line and potentially a media company. It grows because the intention’s right. And right now, I just think there’s so much content out there that if your intention isn’t in the right place, it’s not the move.
Dr. Gundry (18:42):
It’s funny when The Plant Paradox came out three years ago, I guess. Joseph Mercola had me on his podcast. And he says, “I got to apologize.” He says, “I really didn’t know about you.” He says, “I apologize.” He says, “This is the second best book I’ve ever read in my life. Mine of course was the first.” And he says, “Where have you been? What have you been doing?” And I said, “Wow, I guess I’ve just been following the Buddha chopping wood and carrying water.” And I think that’s exactly what you’re saying.
Michael Bosstick (19:19):
You were putting in the time.
Dr. Gundry (19:20):
Yeah, you just got to put in the time.
Michael Bosstick (19:22):
You have the credibility and it’s something that nobody can ever take away from you.
Lauryn Bosstick (19:26):
With writing a book, it’s very similar, just writing. You can’t look A to Z, you have to just look A to B and then B to C. It’s not something that you can look at as a huge thing, or it becomes too overwhelming.
Dr. Gundry (19:40):
Well, and every time I’ve written a book, and I write a lot, what I set out to write each time changes actually dramatically because I have this terrible habit of going down rabbit holes chasing something that I get interested in. And it may not have much of what I thought was going to happen or where I was going with the book.
But actually each book I’ve had to call my editor Julie Wills at HarperCollins and say, “I’m going down this… Trust me, the book will be better. I know it’s not what I promised. And give me another month.” And she’ll go, “I’m going to kill you.” But I said, “What? No, but here here look at it. This is so exciting.” She’s, “Okay. If you’re excited, we’re going to do that.” But yeah, you’re right.
Lauryn Bosstick (20:33):
You and I actually have a pretty similar… it’s similar because I’ll tell you why. I was content marketing for the product that I’m eventually going to launch. And I’m content marketing for my brand by just putting out content all the time. You have been content marketing, you’re a practitioner of your career. You’ve taken all these patients.
So now when you launch product and you have these books, it makes sense because you’ve lived it, you’ve breathed it. So that’s, I think, another thing to think about, like what are you content marketing towards and what do you want to do in the future? That’s a really, really important thing for young people to think about. It’s like if you’re putting in the work, what’s the plan? What does it look like? Does it look like product? Does it look like a book? What is that?
Dr. Gundry (21:23):
It’s funny for years supplement companies would approach me wanting me to put my name on their product and endorse it. And I’d say, “No, I’m not going to do that. I know what should go in these products. I know what should be in there. I’m not going to put my name on your product.” And then eventually I met Craig Clemens and he said, “Hey, you ever thought about doing supplements?” And I said, “Give me a break. No, because I’d have to control everything that went into every one of my products.” He says, “Oh, we could let you do that.”
And I said, “Wait a minute, you’d let me control everything that goes into any of my products?” Oh yeah, that’d be fine. And of course the hilarious thing was my wife said, “Oh yeah. How are you going to sell it? And what’s your distribution?” And he says, “Well, we do kind of 45 minute infomercials on the internet.” And my wife, great word, said, “Yeah, right. Who’s going to watch a 45 minute infomercial on the internet?” And Greg said, “You actually might be surprised.” And of course, a hundred million-
Michael Bosstick (22:33):
And for those that don’t know Craig, he’s one of the best marketers.
Dr. Gundry (22:37):
But it’s true. Gundry MD products, and I’m not tooting my own horn, everything that goes into any of these, I designed, I decided. It’s based on 20 years of patient blood work. So I know what works and what doesn’t. And actually, as far as I know, no one else can say that.
Lauryn Bosstick (22:58):
That’s content marketing.
Dr. Gundry (22:59):
That’s content marketing.
Michael Bosstick (23:01):
But it’s why when you look at what you’ve done in your career, this would not be possible without all the legwork-
Dr. Gundry (23:08):
Michael Bosstick (23:08):
… the groundwork for all the years previously, the credibility wouldn’t exist. And so what I would say to young people is knowing if you’re modeling after someone like you who has found massive success, you have time to build that credibility. It doesn’t have to be at 22 or 23 or 24, even 30, life’s a long road.
Dr. Gundry (23:25):
And like I’ve said before, when I decided to walk away from heart surgery and teach people how to avoid heart surgery with food. It’s really dumb. I did that at age 50, what a stupid career move? Because even an academic heart surgeon makes a pretty decent living, but teaching people how to eat…
My wife and I were poor for a number of years and to her credit, and that’s why I wanted to talk to you as a couple, she could have said, “Holy cow this is not working out. Honey, we’re trying to figure out which creditor we’re paying each month.” True. And maybe I’d think about slicing a few more people open or something. So that’s my segue to this. So are there decisions that you guys have to make jointly? Do you say I’ve been with you long enough now that I trust your judgment on this or is there fisticuffs every now and then?
Lauryn Bosstick (24:29):
So many people ask us this question and they say, “How do you guys manage the finances?” And it’s very non black and white with us. And we’ve never sat down and had a discussion about who manages what. I just think that we’re so, I don’t want to say so connected, but we’re so in tune with each other’s energy that it just kind of works. And trust me, there’s fights, but he knows that I’m more of a creative person while he’s more analytical and logical.
Michael Bosstick (25:00):
But we pick our lanes when it comes to business, right?
Lauryn Bosstick (25:00):
We pick our lanes.
Michael Bosstick (25:04):
I don’t get into the creative process and she doesn’t get into maybe the more operations. We separate that. But I think the bigger thing and probably common in your marriage is that we are both just very aligned that we’re going to make life work together whatever that looks like. And when I’ve had my downs, and I’ve had a lot of downs, it’s never been my wife saying like, “You’ve got to figure this out and make it so that I can be…”
She’s always been like, “Cool, we’re going to ride wherever this takes us, I’m going to support you whatever way I can and vice versa.” People have their ups and downs. And if you don’t have a partner that’s willing to support you and stand by you during that, then I would say maybe second guess that relationship because it’s not going to work. I always feel bad for my friends who hit a bump in the road and how their wife or their girlfriend or significant other get down on them and act like…
Dr. Gundry (25:04):
Michael Bosstick (25:45):
That doesn’t make it better, it makes it worse that you can’t get out of it. Because then you got the person you’re going to bed with the night telling you you’re a loser. Whenever I fell down, Lauryn’s always been like, “Hey, let me help pick you back up.” And I hope I’ve done the same for her. So that requires a lot of conversation.
It requires a lot of conversation about being on the same page for the longterm. We just had a kid together, we got to talk about what we want that to look like. And I think because we have such a longterm vision about where we want our lives to end up, we’re okay if it gets a little left or it gets a little right along the way, as long as we are aligned that we’re going to get to where we want to go in the long run.
Lauryn Bosstick (26:20):
We have a big woman audience and I always say don’t settle. Do not settle and get married and have kids with someone because society tells you you’re supposed to do that.
Dr. Gundry (26:29):
Lauryn Bosstick (26:30):
I am so passionate about that. And I think that for me, if I wasn’t with Michael right now, I would be okay with being single, I would embrace it. I think that it’s way worse to settle for mediocracy than being on your own. There’s nothing wrong with that. I think that the society has told us we have to get married at this age, we have to go to college. We have to have the baby. Everyone’s life looks different and everyone needs to do what works for them. I mean, to compromise your morals and values and your overall vision to just marry someone so you can check a box isn’t very smart in my opinion.
Michael Bosstick (27:09):
And I don’t want to paint a picture that our marriage is easy because it’s not. It’s a lot of work. I mean, anybody that tells me their marriage is easy, I never believe them. It requires so much work to constantly stay on the same page with somebody to make sure that you’re in a loving, happy relationship, supported. We have fights on the show together. Sometimes we’ll be talking to someone like you and we’ll be in a fight on the show. It’s not easy to share a mic, share a business, share a family, share a child with someone and make it work all the time. But I think we’re just both very much aligned that we’ll do whatever we need to do to make it work, whether that’s changing habits or meeting in the middle, or…
Lauryn Bosstick (27:44):
We’re pushing the same boulder uphill, we’re not pushing separate boulders.
Dr. Gundry (27:48):
Do you need time away from each other? How do you do separately?
Lauryn Bosstick (27:55):
The thing about Michael and I, and this is another question that people do ask, is that when we’re-
Dr. Gundry (27:59):
Well, I don’t want to ask that.
Lauryn Bosstick (28:00):
No, no, no. No, no, we are okay with being together but being apart in the same room, if that makes sense. So we spend a lot of time together, but he’s reading his book, I’m reading mine. We both love to read. If we’re in the house together, he will go off to his man cave as I call it and I’ll go up on the roof and use my computer. We’re together a lot, but we’re also independent in that, if that makes sense.
Dr. Gundry (28:29):
No, it makes great sense. I think one of the reasons our marriage works and works well is my wife could care less whether I’m around or not. No, I mean, heart surgeons and doctors spend a lot of time away from their spouses. And she does swing in her own way really well. She’s not dependent, “Oh, when’s he coming home? I need him home.” And she’s not like that.
Lauryn Bosstick (28:56):
I think that’s great. She’s an independent woman.
Dr. Gundry (28:58):
She is. And I try to help her with her business because we’ll be on these trips over in Europe and we’ll be picking out things and I’ll go, “This is what you ought to buy for the store.” And she’ll look at me and say, “Would you stick to doctoring? This is my business.” I said, “No, no, no. I’ve got an eye for this, really I do.”
Lauryn Bosstick (28:58):
Dr. Gundry (29:21):
And I say, “You should really…”
Michael Bosstick (29:22):
You’re a sharp dresser Dr. Gundry.
Lauryn Bosstick (29:22):
You are a sharp dresser.
Dr. Gundry (29:24):
You see, I pick out all my own stuff.
Lauryn Bosstick (29:25):
You’re wearing your pink Skinny Confidential glasses.
Dr. Gundry (29:30):
Lauryn Bosstick (29:30):
You are a sharp dresser.
Dr. Gundry (29:31):
I was actually going to change to this [inaudible 00:29:33] too, so…
Lauryn Bosstick (29:33):
I like them both.
Dr. Gundry (29:36):
So she’ll put up with me and buy one of these pieces. And then two years later I’ll be in the store and she’s like, “Hey, you remember that piece you told me was going to go like hotcakes? It’s still here.”
Michael Bosstick (29:49):
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Dr. Gundry (29:51):
Well, remember the road to health is paved with good intestines.
Lauryn Bosstick (29:57):
Ah, I like that. That’s a good one.
Dr. Gundry (29:57):
Lauryn Bosstick (30:03):
I like those note cards, we need those. Those are cool. We should get [inaudible 00:30:07].
Dr. Gundry (30:07):
We did all that. So you guys are known for raw honesty. So why does that work? What do you think that speaks to in people?
Lauryn Bosstick (30:19):
I, since I was born, have been an over sharer. I’m very, very open. And I think that I could never be an actress because I don’t like to read a script, I’m very raw and very real. I tell the truth. And sometimes it gets me in trouble.
Dr. Gundry (30:34):
Let’s go there. How’s that gotten you into trouble?
Lauryn Bosstick (30:37):
I mean, I’ve talked about everything from getting a boob job to camel toes, to birth control, to vagina steaming to, I mean, we’ve talked-
Michael Bosstick (30:51):
Sex, a lot of sex.
Lauryn Bosstick (30:53):
We’ve talked to every different kind of person you could possibly talk to. I was raised in a really nonjudgmental environment and I think that that’s made it easy for me to bring so many different types of people on the podcast and talk to them. I love hearing people’s different perspectives. I’ll give you an example. We actually flew out to the Bunny Ranch in Reno, Nevada, and we interviewed the head bunny in her room where she works. She showed us all her contraptions of where she has sex with all different kinds of men.
Michael Bosstick (31:23):
Lauryn Bosstick (31:23):
Dr. Gundry (31:24):
And how’s that working out for them right now?
Lauryn Bosstick (31:26):
I actually just talked to her and she said that she’s just taking clients at home. So it’s still working.
Michael Bosstick (31:32):
Now business has not been hurt.
Lauryn Bosstick (31:33):
No, that business hasn’t been hurt. So that was like-
Dr. Gundry (31:37):
Sorry to interrupt.
Lauryn Bosstick (31:38):
No, I just feel like a lot of women are like women supporting women, women supporting women, but then when it doesn’t fit in the box that they like, they shame them. And so to be able to be a creator and go to the Bunny Ranch and actually really be curious about what she does and hear her story was really empowering.
I mean, she told us a story about how she works with a couple who the wife can’t have sex because she has cervical cancer, but the wife still wants her husband to be pleasured. So she works with the couple and it’s helpful. I mean, there’s stories like that that we maybe don’t hear. And she’s eloquent and articulate and smart. And so to be able to have someone like her on the podcast was awesome. So we try to tackle subjects that are maybe taboo that people don’t want to discuss. And I mean, I hope that I can continue to move the needle on that area.
Michael Bosstick (32:32):
Well, I think from a tactical standpoint too, one, Lauryn has always wanted to be more of a public person. That’s why she started the blog, that’s why she starts things on YouTube. She’s decided in her life that she would put herself out there, her whole personality. And for me, that was never anticipated that I would ever be any… I’m not a huge public person, but I never anticipated that I’d be on a weekly show.
I mean, my biggest fear of seven years ago was talking in public. I would have never thought I could do it, now I do it every week all over the place. But when we started this, we said, “Okay, if we are going to do this weekly show, week after week, it’s too much time to try to figure out how to curate that and how to script it.” The only way it’s going to work is if we just talk how we would talk at dinner, talk how we would talk with our friends, share what we actually want to know.
I always joke when people come into the studio with their PR, I’m like, “Listen, you can have your PR come in all you want, and you can have them sit in the corner. We’re still going to ask the questions we want to know. We’re still going to get the answers our audience is looking for.” And I think that’s what people appreciate about the brand.
Literally in that corner over there, I’ve had PR wanting to dive across the table to stop us from asking things. But I think the audience appreciates that because these are questions that we all want to know. I mean, we’ve all seen the Today show versions of stuff and we get it. It’s entertaining, but people want to really know what’s actually going on. And I think we’re starting to see that in multiple areas, multiple businesses. And so-
Lauryn Bosstick (33:54):
I actually think the Today shows and things are boring. I think people want to see the real version.
Michael Bosstick (33:58):
Well, I think we just know we don’t want to be sold to anymore. We want to know the truth.
Lauryn Bosstick (34:02):
Dr. Gundry (34:02):
All right. That’s a great segue. Probably my last question. So what would you tell me that would surprise my audience or even your audience if they knew about it?
Lauryn Bosstick (34:16):
Oh, that’s a great question. I’ve shared so much.
Dr. Gundry (34:20):
Lauryn Bosstick (34:21):
Probably that I actually am an introvert. I like being at home reading, being quiet. I spend a lot of time thinking, I spend a lot of time reading, I spend a lot of time quiet. I have spent a lot of time doing breath work, things that center me because I feel that I’m most effective when I take a lot of time like that to just be still.
And people sometimes I think they see my Instagram and they think it’s constantly go, go, go, go, go, I’m extrovert. I’m outgoing. I’m talking to people all the time. But I think to do what I do, which is to spend so much time interviewing people, I have to take the downtime. So I’m actually pretty much an introvert, which I don’t think a lot of people know.
Michael Bosstick (35:02):
I think for me, if you were like, what would surprise your audience? I mean, they have little interaction with me, but I think if you looked and you saw this bright pink brand in Dear Media and you’d think, “Okay, this is a lot about entertainment.” I think one thing about me is I actually can’t stand the majority of the way the entertainment industry is conducted in the way that most people operate in this space.
Like I said, I’m not a media executive by trade, I’m not a typical LA agent or manager. I’m actually not a manager, anything at all. I just like to talk to interesting people on a mic and I like to share that with people that want to listen. And so I think we present the brand in a way that we know will be drawn in, but I think when people start to listen and peel out, we have really interesting conversations with people like you. We’ve had doctors, psychiatrists, sex experts, authors, really prominent thinkers.
And I think that if you were to look at it on the surface and you see this bright pink thing, you may not think to look further. But from your experience, hopefully we’ve had really interesting conversations on the show. And so I mean, I think that we like the idea that we could be maybe a bit of a contradiction where on one side it’s like, “Oh, what’s this bright pink poppy fun maybe LA looking couple.” And then on the other side it’s like, “Oh, well that was maybe a little more thoughtful than I expected it to be.” So I don’t know. I don’t know if that’s the right answer or not, but hopefully people look a little bit further into the hood.
Dr. Gundry (36:17):
I like that. You mean you have some depth.
Michael Bosstick (36:20):
I hope so.
Dr. Gundry (36:20):
You’re not just flash out there.
Michael Bosstick (36:22):
I hope so.
Dr. Gundry (36:24):
All right. Well, thank you for sharing all of this. It’s been great having you on my podcast. All right. Now I always have to ask, well, where can they find out more about you?
Lauryn Bosstick (36:36):
At The Skinny Confidential, and The Skinny Confidential on iTunes, Him and Her Podcast. We just had Dr. Gundry on you guys. Go check it out. He did the most interesting interview. We talked about hormones, weight loss, olive oil. Jeez, COVID, everything. And then you can find Michael at…
Michael Bosstick (36:53):
No, I think the best place for this audience, because it’s a podcast is definitely to check out the podcast and check out the episodes we’ve done with Dr. Gundry, both have been phenomenal, both are out now. And then I would say if you’re a podcast fan outside of our podcast, check out Dear Media Podcast, we have about 40 all different subjects, comedy, health, wellness, lifestyle, entrepreneurship, parenting, pretty much everything. So check out Dear Media, check out our podcast and that’s it.
Dr. Gundry (37:18):
And I have to go by answering a question. So the bread company, the sourdough, Gundry approved is bread SRSLY, S-R-S-L-Y.
Lauryn Bosstick (37:32):
That is the bread that I have in my fridge. That makes me so happy. I’ve been eating it all the time.
Dr. Gundry (37:37):
But the only purpose of that bread is to pour olive oil on it.
Lauryn Bosstick (37:41):
Oh, I put avocado on it.
Dr. Gundry (37:43):
Well, avocado’s okay. But soak it in the olive oil then put the avocado on it.
Lauryn Bosstick (37:47):
Even if I’m trying to lose weight?
Dr. Gundry (37:48):
Even if you’re trying to lose weight. There’s actually a really cool paper showing that eating one a avocado a day helps you lose weight.
Lauryn Bosstick (37:55):
Can you say this one more time? We will cut this out too. Just talk into the mic like you’re talking for Instagram story about the bread.
Dr. Gundry (38:02):
All right. So you got to have bread SRSLY, which is actually Gundry approved. It’s made out of sourdough, millet, and sorghum and all sorts of good stuff that don’t have any lectins in it. But the only purpose of eating that bread is to get olive oil into your mouth.
Lauryn Bosstick (38:21):
So I’m going to put your olive oil on top of the sourdough that you recommended.
Dr. Gundry (38:24):
Lauryn Bosstick (38:26):
And then can I do a little sea salt?
Dr. Gundry (38:27):
Oh, yeah. But oh, wait a minute. I’m glad you brought that up. One of the reasons we have an epidemic of hypothyroidism in this country is that nobody has iodized salt anymore. So-
Michael Bosstick (38:41):
Where do you get that?
Dr. Gundry (38:42):
You can get iodized salt anywhere. Whole Foods has it, Morton even makes iodized sea salt now, Hain makes it. There’s a company out of Mexico I’m trying right now, there’s a company out of Italy. We had such massive hypothyroidism in the early 19th century, probably over 10 million Americans have died of hypothyroidism. And the government mandated iodine in salt where Morton Salt came from. But now everybody’s healthy and they’re having sea salt or Himalayan salt, and there’s no iodine in it. So I see so many people that come in with low thyroid and they don’t have Hashimoto’s. We put them on iodized sea salt, or we get them spirulina, like in my new product. And-
Michael Bosstick (39:32):
I’m sure the big food companies love you.
Lauryn Bosstick (39:34):
My baby is a spirulina baby. I had spirulina every single day.
Dr. Gundry (39:38):
Lauryn Bosstick (39:38):
Dr. Gundry (39:39):
It’s great for you.
Lauryn Bosstick (39:40):
And I also had bone broth. Do you like bone broth?
Dr. Gundry (39:44):
It’s another subject.
Lauryn Bosstick (39:44):
I like it.
Dr. Gundry (39:48):
Not if you want to lose weight.
Lauryn Bosstick (39:49):
Dr. Gundry (39:50):
Lauryn Bosstick (39:51):
Isn’t it just broth?
Dr. Gundry (39:55):
Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Before you go, I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on iTunes, Google Play Stitcher, or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you want to watch each episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast, you can always find me on YouTube at youtube.com/drgundry. Because I’m Dr. Gundry, and I’m always looking out for you.