Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast, the weekly podcast where Dr. G gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.
Dr. Gundry (00:14):
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry Podcast. It’s been referred to as the mother of all antioxidants. The master detoxifier and the maestro of the immune system. I’m talking about glutathione, one of the most essential molecules for helping the body fight off illness and prevent premature aging. In fact, it’s been shown that many people who suffer from serious health conditions lack a lot of glutathione in the body. And unfortunately due to poor diet and the abundance of toxins in our environment, the majority of us are also running low on glutathione. But my guest today is here to help.
After a quick break, I’ll introduce you to Dr. Steve Morris, a physician and chief formulation scientist who specializes in developing nutraceuticals and cosmetic formulations. Dr. Morris has a passion for discovering alternative ways to promote well being and when it comes to supporting your glutathione levels, he says he’s cracked the code. In a bit, we’ll dive into Dr. Morris’s research on some of the most incredible ways to support your health so that you feel and even look like a younger healthier you. So don’t go away. We’ll be right back.
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So Dr. Morris, it’s great to have you on the podcast. So first of all, for everybody who wants to know what the heck is glutathione, and why do we need it? I know that’s a big one but let’s start there.
Dr. Steve Morris (05:01):
No, that’s a great question. I think to start off, we probably need to back up just a little bit and talk about, what the heck is a free radical? We hear that word all the time, we hear that we’re constantly exposed to them and we are, both inside our bodies and outside. And the main thing to know is that free radicals and toxins are basically just unstable molecules looking for stability. Glutathione, as you mentioned, is the maestro or master antioxidant in the body. It neutralizes or renders inert those free radicals and toxins at a very efficient rate. And that’s its main role in the body.
Dr. Gundry (05:54):
So I’ve written in the Energy Paradox and elsewhere that glutathione is really the master antioxidant within mitochondria, the energy producing organelles in most of our cells. So what’s the difference between an antioxidant that, we use that term rather freely.
Dr. Steve Morris (06:22):
Yes, we do.
Dr. Gundry (06:23):
And glutathione. Glutathione is a true antioxidant, true?
Dr. Steve Morris (06:29):
Yes. It’s called an endogenous antioxidant, meaning it’s made inside our body. So in essence, the best antioxidant that we have, our bodies make. We just need to give it the right building blocks, so to speak, and we’re going to talk about that, so our bodies can optimally make the right amount of glutathione. Antioxidants, vitamin C and quercetin, vitamin E, all that, we could list off a number of them. They’re all good. Those are considered exogenous, meaning they come from outside the body. We ingest them, they go in, and they do a similar type reaction, we’re going to talk about as well to help render these bad molecules harmless.
Dr. Gundry (07:22):
So, you’re right. I think a lot of people certainly have been told that well, you can swallow a lot of antioxidants. But there’s some convincing literature that you could swallow all the antioxidants in the world and they probably aren’t going to do a whole lot for you. And may, in fact, be harmful. A lot of people still like to point to the old vitamin E study in smokers.
Dr. Steve Morris (07:52):
Dr. Gundry (07:54):
Vitamin E consumption worsened lung cancer. And we go down that. Remember that study?
Dr. Steve Morris (08:01):
Dr. Gundry (08:03):
And that vitamin C in excessive doses can turn into a pro oxidant rather than an anti oxidant. But you’re right. Glutathione, we make ourselves and in a little bit, we’re going to talk about swallowing glutathione. So what’s the secret to glutathione? How does it work? How does it mop up free radicals or neutralize them?
Dr. Steve Morris (08:34):
Well, you know what, it comes down to one simple thing and honestly, it really is this simple, sulfur. Glutathione has what is called a sulfhydryl group. All that means it’s a fancy term for the fact that it has a sulfur atom attached to the molecule, that has a hydrogen atom attached to that sulfur. And that sulfur readily wants to give up its hydrogen or electron to neutralize these free radicals, if that makes sense. And that’s the secret behind glutathione, that’s how it works.
Dr. Gundry (09:15):
Sulfur is that yellow stuff, and isn’t that the stuff that makes rotten eggs smell like rotten egg?
Dr. Steve Morris (09:26):
Exactly. If you ever been to Yellowstone, you’ll be very familiar with that. Yeah, and you smell that and you think, well, how can that be good for my body? It’s vital for your body in many ways, and I don’t just mean for antioxidants. Sulfur is used to make many of the building blocks of all the tissues of our body. It is used in our immune system. It’s essential. And so yeah, we have to get an adequate amount of sulfur to be able to make glutathione.
Dr. Gundry (10:07):
Yeah, I think it’s fascinating that many Star Trek fans know that we’re a carbon based life form. But it’s perfectly conceivable and many people would argue that we’re also a sulfur based life form.
Dr. Steve Morris (10:27):
Dr. Gundry (10:28):
I think we probably forget that at our peril. Like you’re pointing out sulfur is right behind copper is probably what we need most out of the elemental table.
Dr. Steve Morris (10:42):
You’re right. Absolutely right. Yeah. I mean, I think the general public would be surprised if they knew the types of metals and different things in our bodies that catalyze the reactions that make us move and alive every day. Chromium for instance, selenium, gold, silver. I mean, all of these are utilized in the body to catalyze reactions.
Dr. Gundry (11:08):
Okay, so you’re talking about reactions and sulfation. And people, I’m sure they’ve heard about sulfur. Some people are aware of sulfites. Some of the things we use to keep wine from going bad. What’s the difference and why is sulfur different than sulfites? And should we be worried about all these different forms of sulfur?
Dr. Steve Morris (11:41):
Very good question. So, you hear two words commonly now and they’re demonized. It’s sulfites and sulfates. Switch the I for an A. The only difference between a sulfate and a sulfite molecule is that a sulfate has four oxygen atoms attached to a sulfur and a sulfite has three oxygen atoms. And like you said, we use them as preservatives frequently in foods, personal care products. Many of the surfactants, soap a long time ago used to not foam. It foams now because we use sulfates and sulfites. Those two ingredients actually are not bad for you. They’re not carcinogenic but there are individuals who are sensitive and some individuals who are actually allergic to them.
And so sulfite and sulfate are actual molecules containing sulfur. Sulfur is a completely separate thing. You need sulfur to live, your body’s made of it. So they’re two completely… And along that line as well, there are people who have allergies to sulfur drugs. Trimethoprim, sulfamethoxazole is one of them. And once again, that has nothing to do with this sulfur atom. It’s the actual drug.
Dr. Gundry (13:13):
Dr. Steve Morris (13:14):
Dr. Gundry (13:14):
So sulfur is very important in sulfation. And its role in phase one and phase two, detoxification in the liver. Can you walk us through that?
Dr. Steve Morris (13:30):
Yes, I can. Absolutely. I really wish I could show this picture. But basically, in the liver, the body has two… Let me see if I can bring you back up here. The body has two ways that it detoxifies or naturally gets rid of toxins. So everything that we ingest passes through the liver and kidneys for that matter. And those two organs are basically filters. Phase one detoxification, utilizes an enzyme called cytochrome P450 or they just abbreviate it CYP450. These enzymes, they do kind of a quick and dirty way getting rid of stuff. They either oxidize the free radical, reduce it or they hydrolyze it by putting hydrogen atoms on it, which renders it inert or they de halogenated. And what that means is, halogens are specific atoms like chlorine for instances is halogen, argon, some of the other elements in between at a table. They remove those, these enzymes do, and it makes the free radical once again inert or harmless.
And those are typically like fat soluble toxins. Things that are fatty in nature. Water is soluble toxins that we ingest or we’re exposed to. Those go through a conjugation pathway. And what that means is, in the case of glutathione, glutathione attaches itself to that toxin. And by doing so, once again, makes it harmless, and then the body simply passes it out to the kidneys and into the urine. But the key point here is, is that glutathione is utilized in both phase one and phase two detoxification in the liver. Hence, another reason why it’s called the master antioxidant.
Dr. Gundry (16:06):
And so just kind of follow up with that. So if glutathione attaches to a water soluble toxin, it’s then excreted in the urine. What you’re saying is, we gotta make more glutathione because we’re constantly losing it?
Dr. Steve Morris (16:27):
Yeah, to a degree. Yes, we are. And our bodies normally are able to do that just fine. But with time, age, exposure to toxins, chronic disease, diabetes, cancer, heart disease, hypertension, a lot of the things we’re seeing in the Western world, more and more autoimmune disorders, the body becomes less efficient at not only producing new glutathione, but it becomes less efficient at recycling it. And we’ll talk more about that too.
Dr. Gundry (17:07):
Well, that’s a good jumping off but, how do recycle glutathione?
Dr. Steve Morris (17:15):
Yeah, good question. So glutathione once its… Its primary way that it works is it readily donates, like I said this electron or hydrogen atom to the free radical and makes it so it feels complete. So it’s complete and it doesn’t go around scavenging. Because normally free radicals what they do is, like I said, they’re unstable, they will pull an electron or hydrogen atom from wherever they can get it. Unfortunately, if it’s from DNA, you’re gonna have damage to your DNA. If it’s from anything inside the cell, they’re going to have damage to sell. And that’s why they’re so bad. So once you make this free radical hole, it no longer wants to go around pulling things off and making a muck of things based basically.
So when glutathione donates its hydrogen, it then binds to another glutathione that has also donated its hydrogen, and it makes what’s called glutathione disulfide. And we abbreviate it instead of GSH, because the hydrogen is gone, we abbreviate it GSSH. And so that’s also floating around in our bodies. But we have an innate mechanism to recycle this. There’s an enzyme called glutathione reductase. And what it does is it takes that GSSH, it’s useless and adds an electron and hydrogen to each one of them and creates two brand new glutathione molecules.
Dr. Gundry (19:13):
So if that happens as a natural process, why are so many of us deficient in glutathione?
Dr. Steve Morris (19:25):
Very good questions. Well, there’s a couple of reasons. One, we talked about a little bit, touched on low sulfate intake in our diets. I don’t think… I mean, people are more health conscious today. But some of the foods that you probably ought to look at eating more and ingesting that are higher sulfur. Meat, so turkey, beef, chicken, fish for more. The vegan and root plants, such as seeds, grains, legumes, nuts, walnuts in particular are high in sulfur. Chickpeas, couscous, eggs obviously are high in sulfur. Allium vegetables, and that’s a class of vegetables. And you’re going to be like, well, they’ll smell, they’ll have kind of a pungent aroma. And the reason why is because they’re high in sulfur, and that’s onion, garlic, leeks, scallions, shallots. All of those types of vegetables are very, very high in sulfur.
And then there’s the cruciferous vegetables that most of us are exposed to and eat. And that’s broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage. If you ever notice these vegetables that I’m listing off here, you cook them and then put them in the fridge, and then you get them out, if you open up the container, you can smell the sulfur. You can actually smell it in the product. [inaudible 00:21:14] is another, kale and radish, believe it or not, is also high in sulfur. So looking at all these and try and include them more in your diet. That’s one reason why we’re deficient in glutathione.
The other one is kind of a hard one to tackle. And that’s environmental toxins. There’s only so much you can control, we live in the world that we live in. And recently with COVID, and wearing masks and personal protective equipment, we’ve been more conscious of that. But the truth of the matter is, you’re going to be exposed to environmental toxins, it’s unavoidable. Things to mitigate that obviously are staying away from things that you know are harmful. Cigarettes, alcohol, where you live, there’s only so much you can control there too. If you live by a refinery, I mean, those are things that are kind of our control. So, that one’s kind of a hard one. And I tend to kind of stay away from that, because you really can’t control certain things.
The third one, and this is a really big one, especially is gut health. Dr. Gundry, you’re very familiar with this that the human microbiome, which is basically the bacteria in the intestinal tract outnumbers the cells in our body. It’s like 10 to one. It’s literally an organ in and of itself. The intestinal tract has its own nervous system. And the bacteria, the good bacteria produce certain things, molecules that benefit our body. When we get dysbiosis, which is a fancy term for more bad bacteria versus the good. And that can happen with chronic antibiotic use, poor diet, you name it, we get a disbalance. And really there needs to be a balance of good and bad bacteria.
Leafy green vegetables contain high amounts of biotin. That biotin is then converted into free fatty acids which are good for us. And that is done by the bacteria in our intestinal tract. The intestinal microbes also produced biotin. Another key elements that modulate the immune system and help with glutathione production.
Dr. Gundry (24:06):
Yeah, I think the intestinal microbiome which is been my area of interest now for 20 years. These guys, they’re sulfur loving bacteria. And one of the things that when I was writing in the Energy Paradox that surprises many people is, we’ve always been taught as physicians that hydrogen sulfide, which is the rotten egg smell is a toxic gas. And, in fact, it follows a hormetic curve, hydrogen sulfide is actually one of the most important, what are now called post biotic gases there are and hydrogen sulfide is really critical for gut communication to our mitochondria, to our brain. And there’s even some really cool evidence that hydrogen sulfide is very important in preventing atherosclerosis. So we’ve kind of ignored the contribution of the microbiome and getting back to your subject, sulfur for too long. All right, so.
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So Glutathione, if it’s the mother of all antioxidants, how come most people have never heard of it?
Dr. Steve Morris (29:36):
Yeah, I thought about that. I think there’s probably multiple reasons but I think two are the biggest ones. The first one is straight out COVID-19. People have become enamored and they should be, more aware, more educated in immune health and by doing so, people are seeing more glutathione products in the market. It’s being talked about more. So I feel that’s definitely part of it. Also, we have more than ever patients or people here, especially in the Western world with type two diabetes which is an inflammatory disorder. Heart disease, which you’re obviously an expert in. As well as there’s been just an enormous surge in people with autoimmune disorders. And so I think, with people getting more educated, getting online, reading more, they’re seeing there’s a common link between all that and glutathione is that molecule.
I think the second reason is really that this is something that’s been taught, I mean, in medical school and in medicine forever. It’s just starting to get out there now. And I think it’s just timing, honestly. So I’m glad people are becoming more educated, it’s a good thing.
Dr. Gundry (31:22):
Well, okay, so it sounds like we ought to be getting more glutathione. And I’m sure a lot of my listeners can go to the health food store, and they may see an entire row of glutathione or glutathione products. There’s pure glutathione. There’s NAC, NAC cysteine. And we might touch on the FDA controversy with that. There’s liposomal glutathione. And then there’s NACET, which you’re going to talk about. So there’s this whole vast array. And then when you start reading glutathione, so many times you see, well, don’t waste your money, glutathione will be broken down and it won’t be absorbed, and you’re just throwing your money away. Help us out here.
Dr. Steve Morris (32:18):
Okay, let’s do it. So, yes, to a degree, taking straight up glutathione, the majority of it is lost in what’s called the first pass effect. What the first pass effect is basically, when you ingest something, like I said, it goes in your stomach and then it passes through your liver. Your liver breaks down a lot of things. It doesn’t pack all the acid in the stomach or the digestive enzymes will break it down. So there’s a term we use called bioavailability. That’s just a fancy term for when you ingest something, how much of that are you actually getting, and how much of it is actually being used for what you’re taking it for. So when you take straight up pure glutathione, it has a very low bioavailability.
In the hospital, when we have patients come in that have overdosed on Tylenol, the main problem is that they’ve depleted their glutathione stores. And the only treatment that we really have to increase glutathione in their bodies is to aerosolize NAC. I can always tell when we are treating somebody for Tylenol overdose, because on the second floor I could smell sulfur. But they would do it that way. And that administration is a very good way to get the key element which is cysteine, we’re going to talk about into the body because it bypasses that first pass effect. It goes into the lungs and straight into the bloodstream. But ingesting just straight up NAC acetylcysteine, which is what the majority of glutathione products on the market utilize. You’re only getting about 10% or less. Its bioavailability is very low as well. Is it still a good product to take? Sure, but it’s not near as effective as what we’re gonna talk about in a minute.
The other one is liposomal glutathione. And basically, that’s glutathione that’s been encapsulated basically in fatty acids that protect it to allow it to get through the digestive tract with enough time to be able to be available. There’s a problem with that though. The body has several, more than several, hundreds of things called feedback inhibitory mechanisms. What that means is the body knows how much it needs of a certain thing. Believe it or not, there is such a thing of having too much of a good thing. So, when the body senses that it’s got enough glutathione, it sends a messenger back up and tells the body to shut off the production of glutathione. It’s a default mechanism, it saves us, because with too much glutathione, like liposomal glutathione can do give you too much glutathione, you enter what’s called a hyper reductive state.
Okay, so we’re talking about a hyper oxidative state. We need to get rid of oxidation, we got to… But being too reduced is also not good as well. And that’s why NACET is so phenomenal. NACET is basically acetyl cysteine, but it has two other chemical groups attached to it, an ethyl and an ester group. They’re just fancy terms for a couple other atoms. The ethyl and the ester group allow NACET to be up to 68% bioavailable to the human body. Six times the amount the NAC is.
Not only that, it doesn’t bypass the natural feedback inhibitory mechanisms in the body. And even more, it readily crosses the protective blood brain barrier that all of us have that protects the brain from toxins and different things. NAC and cysteine and other things, they don’t pass through. This does, this actually enters the brain. And they’ve done studies that have shown that supplementation with NACET, they’re high amounts afterwards in the heart, liver, brain, testes, and other vital organs that are required for life.
Dr. Gundry (37:29):
So can you… I willing to bet that a lot of people have heard of NAC, particularly after NAC supplements disappeared from Amazon after the FDA’s announcement that NAC had been declared a drug in the 1930s and it can’t be a supplement. And yet, people should not be scared, number one, of NAC. But I’ll bet you, no one has looked up NACET. Where the heck do you find it?
Dr. Steve Morris (38:04):
Well, I’m a bit of a nerd. I like to research a lot. And I spend a lot of time on PubMed talking to other colleagues and just delving into the textbooks in different things and in trying to figure out, there’s got to be a way we can get more cysteine, which is the rate limiting factor. Cysteine is an amino acid, we’ll talk about that. There’s got to be a way to get more cysteine in our bodies orally without it breaking down. And I stumbled across NACET. It wasn’t at the time, being marketed at all for anything regarding glutathione. But through research and looking at it more and more was able to see its potential, great potential for glutathione production. And it’s, the blood brain barrier and the fact that it doesn’t bypass these natural things that save us in our bodies are huge potential.
Dr. Gundry (39:22):
And so you have in fact a supplement that contains those, right?
Dr. Steve Morris (39:29):
Yes, we do. It’s we call a GSH Plus. GSH is basically an acronym abbreviation for glutathione. The G stands for Glutathione, the S stands for Sulfur and the H stands for that Electron or Hydrogen that it donates. So if you don’t smell sulfur in your product, at least a little bit, you know you don’t have the real thing.
Dr. Gundry (39:57):
Dr. Steve Morris (39:58):
So, that’s one thing I tell people. If you get a glutathione product and it doesn’t smell a little bad, you’re not getting the right stuff. Now, our formula contains a lot of other ingredients. But before I get into that, I want to just touch on a couple of things. And one of them is the key, I’ve said this a couple of times, but the key rate limiting factor. So if you think about, you got an automobile. The engine works great. The electronics are fine, the battery is fine, but there’s no fuel to put into it. It useless. The engine that makes glutathione is gasoline, its major component, the thing that can slow the production of glutathione down is cysteine. And like I said, it’s an amino acid. You can take cysteine, but once again, your body breaks it down, and you don’t absorb a lot of it.
So NACET is a way to get a cysteine donors what it’s called. It basically turns into cysteine once it gets into the body, if that makes sense?
Dr. Gundry (41:24):
Dr. Steve Morris (41:26):
Yeah. And we’ve also included two other key ingredients, glutamine, which is another ingredient that is in this machine, this engine that makes glutathione. And then glycine, that’s the third one, that’s another amino acid. So there’s basically three of them that are utilized in the production of glutathione. And we have all three of those plus three of other ingredients we can talk about.
Dr. Gundry (41:55):
Yeah, you have several ingredients that really help liver detoxification like [inaudible 00:42:01] and cysteine. But in the interest of time, I know you’ve talked about too much. Your product eliminates that possibility that you can literally overdose on glutathione and have the opposite effect of what you’re looking for.
Dr. Steve Morris (42:25):
Yep, perfect. Yeah, it eliminates that ability to enter a hyper reductive state. And the best way to think about it is to think, hyper oxidation is bad. We can all kind of imagine that, like too much oxidation is bad for you, or any oxidation really. Too much reduction in the body which is the opposite of oxidation is bad as well.
Dr. Gundry (42:51):
Yeah, got it. Well, this is great stuff. Any other exciting things you’re working on that you want to tease our listeners with?
Dr. Steve Morris (43:01):
Always working on stuff. You briefly spoke on mitochondria, I’m just gonna say something very quickly about that. Mitochondria actually, as we age as well, they become leaky. They become the source of the worst free radicals that were exposed to believe it or not. And hence why glutathione is even more important as we age. We’re working on mitochondrial formulas as well. I wanted to touch very briefly as well, just on NACET again. You mentioned hydrogen sulfide. And yeah, we’ve been taught that it’s a bad thing. But it actually is a key cellular messenger in the body that helps modulate or control inflammation, so it doesn’t go out of control. And it also helps with insulin resistance. And NACET really is only molecule that we know of that increases the production of hydrogen sulfide. So that’s a big deal.
Dr. Gundry (44:09):
That is a big deal. Because again, I think for too long, most people and even physicians have been fearful of hydrogen sulfide. And oh, my gosh, it’ll kill us. But you’re right. The research that I talk about in the Energy Paradox, it’s fascinating how important that chemical is to our well being. All right. Well, Dr. Morris it’s been a real pleasure having you on.
Dr. Steve Morris (44:41):
Dr. Gundry (44:41):
It’s been exciting for people to hear about glutathione. Where do people find out more about you and your research?
Dr. Steve Morris (44:49):
Well, I would point them to the website. Try gshplus.com/gundry.
Dr. Gundry (44:58):
All right, well, we’ll keep everybody posted on glutathione and glutathione research. And please check out Dr. Morris and his work. All right.
Dr. Steve Morris (45:09):
Dr. Gundry (45:10):
Thanks very much. Pleasure having you on the program.
Dr. Steve Morris (45:13):
Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Bye.
Dr. Gundry (45:15):
Okay, it’s time for our audience question. This question comes from [inaudible 00:45:20] on YouTube, who says “Hello, Dr. Gundry. Could you tell us please if the sprouts are good or bad for the gut, thank you.” Well, interestingly enough, there’s actually a lot of research that I published in the Plant Paradox about sprouts have a very high lectin content, particularly when they’re very small and just germinating. And it was kind of a surprise to me. But, for instance, alfalfa sprouts, which are one of the more toxic sprouts to eat is because of the very high lectin content. But once the sprout gets beyond just the little thing coming out of the seed, then they’re actually quite safety. So if for instance, you’re worried that your sunflower sprouts that are two or three inches long are dangerous, they’re not. Mung bean sprouts, for instance, are not dangerous. So it just depends.
What you don’t want to do is get the almost immediately sprouted thing. So and I’ve said this over and over again, sprouted breads like Ezekiel, which are the miniature in mature sprouts, maybe one of the most electron rich foods that you can possibly eat. And I’ve actually seen this in several of my patients who for some reason started eating sprouted bread, particularly Ezekiel bread and their autoimmune diseases flared. And once we identified that corporate and got it out of their diet, things quieted down. So great question. Okay, it’s time for the review of the week.
Kimberly Snyder (47:15):
Welcome to the Feel Good Podcast with Kimberly Snyder. My goal is to help you develop a holistic lifestyle based on our four cornerstone philosophy, food, body, emotional well being and spiritual growth. This holistic approach will help you feel good, which I define as being connected to your most authentic highest self. And this is the place from which your energy, confidence, creativity, true power, and true beauty will start to explode. Every week we provide you with interviews from top experts in their field, or a solo cast from yours truly, to support you in living your most beautiful, healthy and joyful life. I’m your host, Kimberly Snyder, founder Solluna, New York Times bestselling author, and holistic wellness nutrition and meditation teacher. Let’s get started.
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Dr. Gundry (48:42):
Matthew Blackman on YouTube says, “Thanks, Dr. G. I love taking the time to watch your podcast. The Plant Paradox is a life changer for me, great book and easy to read. I’m now on to the Longevity Paradox and I already have the Energy Paradox. So I’m chomping at the bit to get stucked into them. You put me on a life changing journey and I am so grateful for you and your team.” Well, thanks a lot, Matthew. That’s why I write these books. It’s for you to get some information that you probably haven’t had before. And good for you for getting all the books because each time I write a book, it’s because I’ve discovered something that you’ve asked me about that. I’ve learned from my patients. And it’s exciting new knowledge, I think. And thank you most of you for thinking the same way to pass on.
So thank you for writing. And again, anyone who’s listening or watching, please send us a review on iTunes or wherever you get your podcasts. And who knows, I’ll be reading your letter next and answering your question. So I’m Dr. Gundry and I’m always looking out for you. Well, see you next week.
Disclaimer. On the Dr. Gundry podcast, we provide a venue for discussion and the views expressed by my guests do not necessarily reflect my own.
Thanks for joining me on this episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast. Before you go, I just wanted to remind you that you can find the show on iTunes, Google Play, Stitcher or wherever you get your podcasts. And if you want to watch each episode of the Dr. Gundry Podcast, you can always find me on YouTube @youtube.com/dr.gundry because I’m Dr. Gundry, and I’m always looking out for you.