Unknown Speaker 0:00
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast, the weekly podcast where dr. D gives you the tools you need to boost your health and live your healthiest life.
Dr Gundry 0:13
Welcome to the Dr. Gundry podcast. Well, it’s a startling reality that many products in our daily routines might be more trouble than they’re worth from the lotions we apply to the carpets we walk on numerous everyday conveniences expose us to sneaky but seriously nasty toxins and the impact on our health and the environment is significant and certainly worth our attention. So on today’s episode, my guest and I are going to uncover these hidden dangers helping you make simple yet powerful changes that can boost your well being and show our planet some love. To help guide us on this eye opening journey. I’m joined by Darren Olean, the Emmy award winning co host of the hit Netflix Docu series, down to earth was Zac Efron, and the New York Times bestselling author of super life. Today we’ll be discussing Darren his latest book, fatal conveniences that toxic products and harmful habits that are making you sick, and the simple changes that will save your health. In just a minute, we’ll explore the concept of fatal conveniences, and how making positive changes to everyday items and habits can significantly improve your health and the environment. We’ll also discuss the importance of understanding our cumulative body burden. And how Darren is personal story inspired his journey towards a cleaner, greener and healthier world. So stay tuned, this conversation will inspire you to transform your daily routine for the better. We’ll be right back. Jaron, it is great to have you and see you on the program. All right. Superstar TV settle
Unknown Speaker 2:06
down believable.
Dr Gundry 2:07
Wow. I’m so impressed. So we are not worthy to have you on Come on. Come on. All right, we talk a lot about toxins on especially toxins found in food and drinking water. But unfortunately, it’s not just the toxins in our diet that we have to worry about. So tell us about what are the common products and even behaviors that are fatal convenience? Let’s start there.
Unknown Speaker 2:36
Well, where can I start? Well, you could you could start with, you know, your personal care, you could start with your home, like you know, people seemingly you wake up, you go to your tap, you get some water. And if you’re not filtering it, you have a cacophony of chemicals that that come with it. And that’s one of our biggest a one of the surprising things that I found the book was our exposure pee Foss, which is a basically a grandson of Teflon was from the waterways, right? So. So then you’re seemingly drinking, quote unquote, clean water and you’re exposing yourself to that and a lot of other chemicals and then you maybe take a shower and you wash yourself and shampoo and conditioners and lotions. So so in the personal care, just generally speaking, there’s things like parabens and phthalates, and they’re everywhere all the time. You know, it’s one of those things where, you know, just the setup of all of this stuff is strange, because we have, you know, 60 to 80,000 chemicals created every year in our world. And of that they’re hidden in all of these products and not I think maybe about 1500 are tested. So, you know, when we’re you know, I find it funny when I was writing this it was like personal care. And then it’s riddled with and then what are these parabens and phthalates and fragrances right, these things largely fall into these categories of endocrine disruption, immune compromising, endocrine disrupting, as you know is is this kind of hijacking of your glandular systems and and it’s alarming to then you look at from a population standpoint that all of this continued body burden is leading us to poor motility of sperm, it’s leading towards endometriosis. It’s leading toward girls going into puberty earlier menopause challenges so it’s it’s To it’s it’s it’s strange, invisible world by continuously doing these habits where you go, you know, how can I buy a product? That’s harmful? Right? And that’s kind of the alarming thing. Like, what do you mean? My shampoo? What do you mean, my lotion? What do you mean my beauty I’ve been using? Yeah, I’ve been using this forever. And and then you go over time, these things can have a lot of challenges for the body and for the energy and and and they’re missed mysterious because it’s again, it’s hard to put your finger on
Dr Gundry 5:34
people who are supposed to protect us like the EPA, just as an example or even the FDA, you know, assure us that these chemicals, yeah, they might be there. We don’t test for all of them. But they might be there but they’re in such infantile decimal amounts. They couldn’t possibly be a problem. Right? What say you
Unknown Speaker 6:02
that’s the science shows the ladder, right? So actually, they show Dr. Leo to Sunday girl wrote a great book, poor sicker, fatter, and he dedicated his life to ADCs and a bunch of other also, they’re showing that these things are also affecting epidemiological outlooks, as well. But these small things, our bodies are working in small degrees all the time. And so when you have a foreign chemical coming into your body, it reacts and then you’re constantly doing it. The problem is that they’re they’re saying this without adequate studies, you know, and, and it’s not long term, nor is it taking into effect all of this exposure all the time. It never stops, right. So you’re you’re getting ballots from your, your clothing, you’re getting ballots from your water bottle, you’re getting leached into your water, you’re getting ballots from lotion you’re getting. So all of these things build up over time. So the they may have studied one chemical for one particular aspect. But in reality, what kept showing up in the research is when people actually used it in the way that they were using it was 1020 30 times more exposure to some of this stuff. It’s a dangerous thing when there’s, you know, you know, you’ll probably find this to be true and all that stuff that you’ve done. It’s like let’s, let’s do this. Let’s throw it out there like the Wild West and use this term plausible deniability. So if I don’t test it myself, then I don’t know if my products bad. So they sell it anyway, even though the research says these chemicals are harmful, or probable carcinogenic activity, or pee FOSS or EDC, or whatever it is. That’s where it gets gets really slippery. The bottom line is we need testing. We need this testing all the time. And we’re not we’re not doing it. And we’re suffering as a result. And if you look at the very thing that moves the population forward, sperm count counts are going down motility is not effective. And this population movement forward of our entire world is being under underpinned by this kind of chemical romance that we somehow are in. So the big question is also the regulatory bodies, right? Yeah. You know, the frustrating thing of writing this book was like, they would even write an article about, you know, paraben, or phthalates or something like this or P FOSS. And yet it’s in the products that they’re supposed to be regulating. And I find it funny when you know, now that there’s some pressure out there, because they only respond to the pressure. Right. So now that P Foss and just after I finished the book, there was a Coca Cola based company called simply orange, I believe it was simply orange. It was tested independently, and there was over 200 P FOSS chemicals in that orange juice. And by the way, there was also no real orange juice. Yeah. So so so it comes out that way. And then the pressure of P Foss, for example, gets out there and then it goes to the government and the government then issues a Toxic Substance Control Act. And you’re like wait a minute, so now you initiated something to do about it. But yet you already had a regulatory body that didn’t do anything about it. So then you’re feeling good about yourself having an agency that’s now going to do something about it. It’s a strange thing. And that’s where I think people have a hard time getting their head around. Because they’re going to a store. Like, hey, I want lotion, my skin’s dry. I want to do things I want
Dr Gundry 10:13
my room to smell good. Yes. Or I want that morning fresh smell on my towels. Yes, when I take them out of the dryer, yes. And because I can’t have a morning fresh smell, and my towels can’t have it.
Unknown Speaker 10:26
And the fact that these things and you know that I devoted a big part of the book to these different kind of headliners. And one of those is fragrances, right. So they have these trade secret loopholes, where all they are doing is like, hey, we want to we’re gonna use this, you know, manufactured mask, but then we’re gonna use it but but about 100 other chemicals, but it’s a trade secret. So we now we don’t have to disclose it. And you’re like, what? So now it’s not on any label. It’s not out there for you to decide. And many of those, it was reports of showing that many of those fragrances, have 75% of them are probable carcinogenic substances in there. And then you’re exposing yourself and it’s under the guise of wanting to smell good. And so a mom who wants everything good for for her, her home her children. You wouldn’t knowingly want to expose yourself and people to probable carcinogenic compounds, but that’s what’s showing up in all of these weird fragrances and products. And that’s that’s where it’s really frustrating. Because I didn’t want to have to write a book. You know, I didn’t want to have to write a book about this had I was compelled to. Because it’s a growing, you’ve been doing this all the time, too. And you’re like, wait a minute, well, why is this happening? My father, I dedicate this book to my father. He was suffering with chemical sensitivity in the 90s. That was my first education on what’s happening. So it’s in my heart to do it. And I’m like, Okay, well, you can eat, you can try and live how healthy and happy and you can eat and take care of yourself and but then the chemicals that are being put in our products. not regulated, not tested. Very, very, very little. It’s just a, it just doesn’t make sense to the moral code that I believe we should be living in. And so people with their hard earned money are buying products that are causing them undue harm, and it’s over time, right? It’s, it’s not a cute, so I’m not saying that you put a lotion on you die tomorrow. It’s not how this works. It’s just this this hijacking happens over time. You know, because like parabens and phthalates, they have half life. So a few hours in the body, the body deals with it. Obviously, it’s still being affected. It’s affecting your, your endocrine system, but it gets it out of the body. But then you have things like the Forever chemicals like the P FOSS is and the PFOA is and and those things bio accumulate. And we know this and we keep doing it 1972 We used to spray our crops with DDT. Sure, what’s in our blood today still have DDT. So this experiment is not a good experiment to do. Like so we have P FOSS everywhere, you know, the non wrinkly shirt, or the the wicking ability of that carpet, that you don’t want stains to sit in those things and so many more are, are are these chemicals are these P FOSS chemicals. They market us as these conveniences, but they don’t really tell us what we’re being exposed to. And, you know, that’s just not something I’m cool with. And I saw my dad suffer as a result of it. So, and I see it and it’s growing every day, you know, these this chemical soup that we keep creating and not talking about.
Dr Gundry 14:14
I’ve written in previous books. I mean, there’s very interesting studies that women who eat a lot of chicken during pregnancy, give birth to little boys who have smaller penises. Yeah. And it’s because the family eats in not only chicken, but also in the plastic wrap. Yeah. And it believe it or not, when I was growing up, there weren’t any plastic wraps. You know, we had a butcher shop, you had butcher paper. I did a recent experiment. I’ve done it before but I took a couple of bags of organic pre chopped lettuce that I bought at the supermarket and left them in The refrigerator. And three weeks later, they looked as pristine as the day I bought them. And you can’t tell me that some self respecting bug wouldn’t have wanted to eat that and three weeks time, and yet they were preserved. Yeah. And, and they don’t have to tell you what’s in that bag. There’s no requirement. Totally, it’s organic. But we don’t have to tell you what’s on the bag, what’s
Unknown Speaker 15:31
on there. And that on the surface. Exactly. And that’s really scary to me. Because, you know, the, the contact of our food and our drinks. Yeah, that’s undermining a lot of things. And you know, when you start looking at, like, you know, clearly you and I aren’t eating fast food and stuff, but any take away, anything that is better, heat resistant, and the food doesn’t stick to it, all of that stuff, is dangerous chemicals, that a good friend of mine, who started a business he was in. He worked in the computer business, and he was in for Intel. And he was, the circuits were so small and intricate, that when he was working, working on it, they had to test every off gas. And so he was working high, high level. And then he got food delivered to him. And then all of a sudden it clicked, he goes, a fruit is wrapped in plastic. My circuits are wrapped in plastic, all of this stuff. So he tested in their lab, he tested the food from that he ended up starting one of the largest alternatives to single use plastic companies on the planet. Working with ConAgra McDonald’s Walmart, today, it’s an EMS choice swap. Amazing guy. But that’s so it takes that it’s not a regulation body, right. It’s It’s us. It’s us as people who care for other people, we come together and make these changes. And that’s where like it it horrifies me. Right when you see specially hot or warm food next to plastic or like, it’s, it’s, it’s a prescription for disaster, and people have to understand just, you know, it’s petroleum, it’s oil, right. And it takes 1000s of chemicals to make it into that very convenient container. Right? And, and we’re running around, kind of not expecting or not perceiving that this is a bad thing. So we have to raise that alarm. And we have to raise the alarm and where my optimism is, is the people listening, the people in your audience, they’re obviously tuning in, because they want to learn so they can be healthy so they can be aware. That’s what this is about. We have 8 billion of us, right? That’s the numbers. So if we wake up, and we become aware of the stuff that we don’t have to consume 200 grams, a year of plastic, that’s that there’s the studies 200 grams a year we’re consuming of plastic as it relates to the microplastics in our water, the microplastics in our food, the microplastics in our drinks. And all of those are petroleum and endocrine disrupting, and probable carcinogenic activity. And obesogens. So these terms were obesogens going, Oh, wow, this is now metabolically absolutely changing the game. And so now you have people frustrated, not losing weight. All of the stuff, hey, I’m eating perfectly. But then they’re going and they’re putting this stuff on and they’re doing their laundry and they’re putting nylon and, and and everything on there. Excellent. All right. And so and that’s your skin, right, and transdermal and there’s very clear studies, special genitalia, there’s very clear studies that showing that you are receiving those chemicals, especially those sensitive areas, and children with things like throw away diapers. Horrible, right? And I get it. Again, you’re saying it’s price. It’s a convenience, it’s convenience, but, you know, buy a bunch of organic diapers, and then just wash them. Then you don’t have to buy anything else again, but
Dr Gundry 19:33
don’t put the fragrance but don’t
Unknown Speaker 19:34
put the fragrance you gotta buy the right, exactly. So but it’s this whack a mole, right? It’s like, but But you know, so it’s like, I wish we weren’t here, but we are here. We all were born into some level of the Industrial Revolution, where we made all these conveniences. Hell, when I go to my faucet, I’ve been all over the world. I’ve been in crazy situations. I’ve seen some of the people that didn’t have clean water that don’t even I met people that have never, that never saw clear water. So imagine that, right. And so when I go to my faucet, it’s not lost on me, this is a miracle that we have plumbing and we have water. However, those systems of filter are basically the waste treatment plants or the the water treatment plants, basically are keeping us from, you know, tie for here, cholera. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, right. That’s exactly right. But they’re not the they’re not sophisticated for them. Good. Good for that. Because acutely, you would die. Right, exactly. But these things were not they’re doing just is as much as they need to do. But we’re not, you know, we’re not getting the full cleaning gamut of what we need for this stuff. So that’s where, you know, we need to kind of push back and be aware of this stuff. And I’m not, I’m also not about taking conveniences away.
Dr Gundry 21:10
It’s all you know, doom and gloom. And we’re sitting here saying, Well, you know, we need the nanny state to make all this not happen to us. Yeah. But that’s not going to happen. So what, what do our listeners do about all this? You got a lot of really good recommendations. Kind of have added help us out here.
Unknown Speaker 21:35
Yeah, so the last fourth of the book is solutions, even a lot of DIY stuff, a lot of products that are doing a lot of great things. And I think of it like this, I think of you know, because there’s a lot, so I think of go from in to out. So the most vulnerable is you’re open your mouth, and you’re drinking and you’re eating. So what are what are you doing there? Right? Yeah, don’t eat the food that has been wrapped in everything. And of course, ultra processed food is barely food anymore. And it’s chemicalized. So that’s a no brainer. And then, you know, one of the first things I think everyone should run out and do, they don’t have their own natural spring that’s tested. Obviously, that’s the golden standard. Filter your water. But filter is not just filter, right? I would I kind of think of water as like, break it down, deconstruct it, because it’s, it’s, it’s all it’s virtually all contaminated with something right? In our RO system, reverse osmosis or distillation and then add some electrolytes back into it. That’s, that’s the bare minimum and, and you also save on plastics and buying all this other stuff. That is the thing and we need to stay hydrated. So start there a few 100 bucks, now you have your own water system. And then then look at your food. Like obviously, the less takeout the less Ultra process. So start whole food. And you know if you can afford organic or farmers market stuff, there’s the Dirty Dozen, the conventional ones that are, you know, that little sticker on the fruits and vegetables if it has nine if it’s not labeled, saying organic, you can look and say if it’s if it’s nine, it’s organic, and if it’s for three, then you’re seeing that it’s sprayed with chemicals and or it could be a genetically modified fruit. So if you can’t afford it, you need to wash think of it in terms of common sense. And Apple, romaine lettuce, celery, nectarines, things that you’re going to be eating directly you’re not peeling like a banana or something. So those you want to wash right? I use baking soda and hydrogen peroxide let it soak you can use oxygen bubblers to clean all of that stuff. So clean clean your food if you can’t, and also organic to is clean your foods. So that’s where I was started. And then as you kind of expand from there, what are you? What are your daily habits that you’re doing? What are you washing your body with? What are you slathering on your skin and women? Unfortunately, the beauty products are riddled the worse Yeah, riddled with this stuff and you’re doing it constantly that misc mascara that doesn’t wipe off P FOSS again. That lip gloss that lipstick that doesn’t wipe off P FOSS again, that concealer P FOSS again. So it’s like your chemical Ising all this stuff and then obviously that’s not good for your skin either. Right? And we see you know we’re trying to
Dr Gundry 24:57
you know, so the old story of the of the lip balms and lip, most moisturizers, they actually dry it out. And so you have to put more on and you literally become addicted to the product you originally started to moisturize your lips with
Unknown Speaker 25:15
you interrupt that sebum, that natural lubrication that the skin has in urine or up that whole process, not to mention whatever chemical you’ve just kind of dry usually dried it out, like you said, and then you become dependent on it. And it takes a little bit to break that cycle. You know, just stop using that stuff. Think of I think of things like if you’re gonna use, you know, if you’re in a dry area or whatever, and you’re, you know, listen, you got to look at hydration and everything else. But, you know, think of it as nutrition, right? So, coconut oil, shea butter, even olive oil, olive oil is great. You know, it’s like, there’s a lot of you got a great olive oil two.
Dr Gundry 25:55
Thank you. Like, yummy. It was good enough for Sophia. Loran. It’s good enough for me. I’m on my skin Come on.
Unknown Speaker 26:02
And you feel it? Oh, I feel it. You feel the difference. You feel it’s it’s natural, like, like, everyone likes to smell good to so essential oils, man. There’s a infinite better better result. Like, again, like this whole thing is set up from my perspective. divorcing nature. If we go just like that, oh my god, I bought into the idea. I need a moisturizer on my lips. Now you just came in there and shut yourself off or disrupted the natural rhythm of your of your little microsystem of your lips. All of this stuff. If you if you divorce yourself from all of those things and chemicals, you’re yourself at first, especially from a personal care standpoint, then you’re a victim to that now side effect. But if you look at this stuff of like, oh, what can I literally get a benefit of from a moisturizer standpoint, but also as a nutritional side? Then it becomes a whole nother thing. Right lavender incredible healing agent, as well as smelling. Smelling good. So yeah, you can still you can still smell good. But also it’s also parasympathetic ly dominant for your body. So it helps to pull pull you down. Industry. Yeah, call me down. And so. So it’s going back to that common sense. And I think ultimately through the book, I just want to wake people up to we’re all into patterns. We’re all into habits. And we’re just ingrained into it takes a little bit to go. Oh, I had no idea that that convenient little slippery dental floss. I didn’t realize it that chemicals of P Foss and connected to kidney cancer. Well, I certainly don’t want to use it now. But it’s convenient. Until you disrupt that. So this book can can be startling. Right? It can be overwhelming. Yeah, but the point is just making one step one step at a time. You know,
Dr Gundry 28:12
how about one of my my favorite subjects sunscreen? Oh, wait a minute, don’t I have to protect myself from the sun?
Unknown Speaker 28:24
You gotta use your common sense, right? You need I mean, you need the sun. We love the sun. Just don’t understand where your own melanin levels are at how white you are, how dark you are, and respect that so few minutes a day full exposure. And then if you’re going to go more than just use a natural I mean, coconut oil is between five and 7% natural SPF. Right. And you know, yeah, so we have to and that and the chemical soup and and sunscreens are scary.
Dr Gundry 29:03
Oh, I absolutely agree. The sad thing is these chemicals, skin absorbs things. And these chemicals are absorbed directly. And they’re all endocrine disruptors. And I just, it scares me to death. I see pictures from the dermatology literature of pregnant women smearing sunscreen on their belly, you know, to protect their child and I’ve got oh my gosh, you know, they’re sending you know, hormonal single is signals to this developing brain. And it’s like, oh my gosh, you have any idea what you might be doing
Unknown Speaker 29:46
totally to our child? Yeah, oxy benzodiazepines and all of these things. The end user also throating the vitamin D, right So, so like people especially like, okay, don’t be rate so much respect to your situation. And don’t burn. Like burning is never good. Like, that’s a bad idea. So So yeah, we’re not saying go on sun and just stay there, like there’s still burn your skin that’s damaging, but build up that melanin build up that, that solar those solar panels because it’s it’s so gifting and stay away from especially the aerosolized sunscreens, all of those, the benzenes, the dioxins, all of that stuff in those, that that’s horrifying, the connections to cancer.
Dr Gundry 30:41
But aren’t those all illegal? I mean, are, don’t we control that? Now I know you are going to tell me no,
Unknown Speaker 30:48
I don’t understand how it’s possible that virtually every one of these things is, is not regulated. It’s, you know, many swear words are in that book out loud that I’m staring at research. And I knew a little bit about it. But as you know, when you’re digging, and you’re going, they know it’s probable carcinogenic activity, they know it. And then moms and everyone, and they’re just like, because they’re going like, well, if I can buy it, it’s probably safe. And I’m definitely afraid of the sun. So I need to get my banana boat or whatever the hell it is. Yeah. And that’s a weird flip, that we have evolved with the sun. And, and, you know, there’s, there’s connections to, you know, the carcinogenic activity of the actual lotions themselves. Yeah. Not the skin or not the sun. Right. So, yeah, that’s a that’s a big one.
Dr Gundry 31:53
You know, I grew up in the 50s and 60s, and my, there wasn’t any sunscreen back then. And my parents, particularly my mother would literally kind of set a timer and during the start of season, and you know, okay, you’re, you know, you’re going out for 30 minutes, and you’re done. And you’re coming back in and you’re gonna read a book. And we progressed and so you know, by the end of the summer, we’re brown little berries, but brilliant woman, I’m thinking back but they knew that you had to develop a callus if you will. A melon and callus. And we never got burned because my mother was we thought she was you know, Attila the Hun. Oh, we’re playing we’re having such a good time in the water. You know, it’s time
Unknown Speaker 32:47
to come out. Come
Dr Gundry 32:48
on out. Here out. Sorry. And it worked. Yeah. But you see, sunscreen is a convenience. Because you know, I can go out you know, all day. I don’t wear sunscreen. I actually I write about this. I eat my sunscreen, right? No, I all these poly phenols vitamin C and just spent a couple of weeks in Europe hiking 12 miles a day. short sleeve shirt. I did have a hat on. Yeah, but I’m wearing sunscreen. And I’ve got a nice tan, but I never burned. Yeah. Again, that’s common sense. That stuff scares. I mean, really, sunscreen scares me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, trying to scare my viewers.
Unknown Speaker 33:35
Again, this is it’s the flip of the script of the fear, overshadowing our common sense of like your mother, right? So that our population now is just like, running around afraid of the sun. And they would rather put on in a virtually unregulated chemical on their skin.
Dr Gundry 33:58
Is it big companies that that drive this? I mean, why? Why aren’t we being told these things? Why aren’t there regulations? And you talk about this?
Unknown Speaker 34:13
I mean, I leave a lot of things to question in this book. But the obvious answer is we’ve somehow put profits and power over our own health. And, you know, you look at this Mayo Clinic study where it showed through moderate lifestyle and diet, that only 2% 2.7% of Americans were deemed healthy. And you’re like, if we’re trying to harm ourselves and be dependent on on these ons on these things and be dependent on the pharmaceutical industry or the chemicalized romance and these products, then then we’ve done a great job. All right. So that’s the only conclusion I can make is that we have allowed for profits to be more powerful, you know, lobbying and all of this stuff to be more powerful than our own health. And I don’t know how the hell we have gotten there. And you know, that’s part of why I thought my dad was nuts. My dad was a tenured professor, double masters, highly functional guy, cared about people. And then he comes to me and says, I can’t function I am zoned out. So he gets all his colleagues and doctors and they finally realize, like, your exposure to fragrances of a variety of from shampoos, conditioners, all that stuff is, is causing a neurological shutdown. And so that’s shocking. When I’m in my 20s, in school, in college going, what are you taught, it’s invisible. And you know, the crazy thing, Dr. Gundry, is I was down so many rabbit holes. And trying to as you know, when you do a book, each chapter, you’re amassing a huge amount of information to then get your head around it, so that you can make it accessible. Right, right. And you have to also stop at certain areas going if I say this, then I have don’t have enough space to finish right now or not. Yeah, we can’t do that. Right. So when I’m staring at this stuff, and my dad was that first person, that when he you know, he was an educator, and it was before the internet. So he’s like giving me VHS tapes, look at this. And here’s the report. And he’s highlighted already. I’m looking at going, how is this possible? And it took me a while and then 30 years along the way researchers and buddies that I’ve made going you should look at this cell phone is showing so incredible, almost infertility responses guy Loma and cancer. And I, of course, I thought that was crazy to initially. And everything in here. The people if you’re not aware of it, it’s shocking. To go how is this fricking possible that we could knowingly sell products to ourselves? Ie companies to us that are harmful? I don’t have a good answer. Here’s what I know. We have to face it, honestly. You and I and your listeners we have to know about it. If we don’t know about it, we can’t do anything about it. And then we are a victim to other people’s crazy ideas. The crazy idea that the FDA looks the other way the EPA looks the other way the FCC doesn’t do a good enough job. Again, there’s great people I’ve met great people in these organizations trying to do the right thing. But what I’m staring at is very pragmatic, that paraben that Falaise, that ba BPH that BPA that’s in this product, that propylene glycol flow agent, whatever it is, this dioxin, this one for dioxin from this chemical reaction of this product that’s never on the label that’s in there. This is in there. I’m not making it up the research is there 200 different research articles or could have been 1025. Researchers, my own fact checkers, trying to do some sort of understanding of how the hell we got here, but it’s here. Now that it’s here, what do we do about it? Right? So you go back into solutions, you go back into like this, this is just, I use this example. If you are in a business relationship or relationship with someone did something and you don’t say anything about it, then nothing changes except building up of resentments, or fear or paranoia. But as soon as you turn to someone say, Hey, man, I you know, this happened or that happened, and it made me upset, let’s talk about it. Then you can resolve it. It’s facing things and looking at things honestly, you’ve been doing that your entire career throwing up books of people like what? Right in order to change. We have to be aware of this stuff. I saw my dad suffer my first teacher of my life, suffer and he shouldn’t be suffering. But he was because there’s real chemicals affecting Now listen, now. Not everyone is feeling the effect.
Dr Gundry 40:03
That’s my next question. How do you know your dad was? Was, you know, a canary in a coal mine? Yeah. And I have lots of canaries that ended up with me. And they, you know, they are super sensitive. Most of us are never going to feel these things at least initially least initially, because we don’t feel this. Come on. What’s the big deal? Right? Well, it’s,
Unknown Speaker 40:28
you know, my towel
Dr Gundry 40:29
smell springtime, fresh. Fresh towels. No, no, I don’t.
Unknown Speaker 40:36
Not in that way. Just hanging them outside in the springtime.
Dr Gundry 40:40
You know, what an idea.
Unknown Speaker 40:42
Actually, it’s the best when I hang my laundry outside. There’s the nature does an amazing job. You know, I look at I couldn’t help but to look back at the tobacco industry. 40 plus years. They played this game. Yes, it needs more testing. Kick that down the road. They never admitted anything. Plausible Deniability is all of this stuff. Nothing wrong with tobacco does, it can’t prove anything. And they just kept kicking it down the road. I look at that stuff with the Teflon derivatives. With other forever chemicals with even the electromagnetic fields, the telecommunications company, the rabbit holes, I went down with that they held they knew back when they when they put up the first telegraph, the electromagnetic fields coming off any electronic device, disrupts has a potential of disrupting bees and, and migratory patterns of birds, they were noting all of this stuff back in the early 19th century, right. So as it continued, we’re like, in this instance, the these invisible things, you can’t put your finger on it. But we are biological and chemical. And we’re moving through time and space. And these are affecting us. And it is showing up in the data. It is showing up again, the problems, it’s using the tobacco industry to it’s like, if you’re around, if you’re even smoking or around a secondhand smoker, you’re not dying tomorrow, you don’t have cancer tomorrow. But if you’re around it all the time, this is where the alarm bells have to be raised. This is why you’re doing what you’re doing. I’m doing what I’m doing. So that we can have this conversation so that the population of people can be aware and make other choices and first effect themselves and their families to have a healthier home, healthier clothes, healthier personal care stuff. And once in the power of integrating, because you know, I’m sure you’ve ran into this, where if you talk to people and say, Hey, how you doing? How are you feeling pretty good. And unless they’re coming to you, and they’re really not good. But but for the most part, if you grab someone off the street, they like got pretty good. But if they do something, maybe eat a little better, or take better care of themselves, and they do a program or something. We’ve all taken people through programs of eating, but when they get to that, and they go, Oh my god,
Dr Gundry 43:29
I have so much energy.
Unknown Speaker 43:30
I’ve never felt so good. But they they could not know that. No, that’s true, until they actually did it. So when you start to integrate these things, when you start to align now what you know, what you’re discovering into what you want, and what’s better for you. Innately you know this, why would you want to be knowingly exposed to chemicals that are probable carcinogenic, and also endocrine disrupting. So like, start moving yourself because you will create the scenario where you have a better chance of feeling better than ever, as you move towards this thing. So that’s where it’s, it’s that nebulous, invisible. And we have to make it visible by the knowledge and by the understanding so that we can then make a better choice. Yeah, it’s
Dr Gundry 44:29
funny, early on when I taught people to eat, and yeah, took away a lot of foods that they thought were good for them. And, you know, they’d come back, you know, say, you know, yeah, how you doing? And people would say, you know, feeling well never tasted so good. And is like, it’s a great way to describe them.
Unknown Speaker 44:53
And that momentum. Oh, yeah. Right. And then that’s moment, right. And
Dr Gundry 44:57
then they kind of fall off a little bit and they go Holy cow, I don’t like feeling this way. Holy cow. That’s how I, I thought that was normal.
Unknown Speaker 45:05
Yes. Right. It changed the setpoint. Yeah,
Dr Gundry 45:09
I don’t like that. Okay, you know, I’m gonna behave.
Unknown Speaker 45:13
Exactly. Listen, we’re so amazing as humans, you can shovel almost anything in your mouth, you can go slather yourself with a lot of stuff and just keep moving forward. And that’s the, it’s the plus and the minus of being human, especially since we’re just creating all this stuff. That’s not so good for us. But it takes a little bit for that to really feel the impact, right. But I love the momentum side of things I love when you like, hey, just try this one thing. I mean, this book is like, you can kind of open up to anything and learn something and go, Wow, I had no idea let’s maybe change something,
Dr Gundry 45:52
just these plastic bags for veggie for salad. So look, you know, buy a whole head of lettuce, organic lettuce, take it home, you know, clean it off, get a salad spinner, I’ve got to throw it in there and get your frustrations out with a salad spinner. I’ve got one I’ve got one of them to pull on and another one that’s pound and come on, and watch it spin. It literally takes you 30 seconds more than opening up the bag that’s full of plastic that’s being imprinted on your healthy organic lettuce, that doesn’t have to be declared what it’s doing to you
Unknown Speaker 46:35
at all, at all, at all. And it without a doubt is going into your food. Oh yeah, the data is very clear.
Dr Gundry 46:43
I’ll give you one example that I you know, I just wrapped up my my new book. And oats are, are so bad for you in so many ways. But oats almost all over the United States have been sprayed with Roundup, glyphosate. And even some of the organic loads. So plenty of glyphosate. And I was wanting going down a rabbit hole and there’s a herbicide that’s used on oats, oats, long stock, the oats are up on top of the stock, the stock gets too long and breaks. And that ruins that harvest. And so in most countries, there’s an herbicide that’s used to make the oak stock that rose so high, so that it doesn’t break. Now, the EPA has a law that says it’s illegal to use that herbicide in this country. I know it’s it’s a carcinogen, a proven carcinogen. I won’t mention the name. You have to get the new book. It was illegal during a previous administration. And you can guess what the EPA was told to loosen that regulation, because it was bad for business. And that, yes, it’s still really bad for you, but loosen up on what you’ll accept parts per million notes. So the Environmental Working Group just sent off a bunch of oat samples from healthy oat cereals. Most of them are household names, like old fashioned oats, maybe. Right. And there’s up to 400 times the legal safe parts per million on these products since that little tweak Wow of what the EPA would allow.
Unknown Speaker 48:42
So that’s a perfect fit for convenience. You think you’re eating healthy? Oh, it’s healthy out. And you’re getting chemicalized? Yeah. Wow,
Dr Gundry 48:50
I went oh my gosh,
Unknown Speaker 48:51
see what I mean? Like you look at this stuff, you really look at it. And I’m grateful for you for doing that. Because it’s like you really look at it and ew G is doing great stuff. Yeah, yeah, they’re they’re really they’re doing great out. They should be known more than than what they are. But
Dr Gundry 49:08
yeah, but the troublemakers. Come on.
Unknown Speaker 49:11
Exactly. Yeah, the industry probably doesn’t like them all that much. But also they highlight ones that are doing good too. So it’s true. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. Yeah, that’s, but that’s, that’s the business not good for hell.
Dr Gundry 49:26
Ya know, a few years ago, I had the opportunity to talk to Michael Mondavi Robert manavi son who runs Mondavi Winery, and we were talking and he said, you know, it actually took us 10 years to wean ourselves off of chemicals in our vineyards. 10 years. He said, we were so addicted to you know,
Unknown Speaker 49:53
growing that way. Yeah.
Dr Gundry 49:56
And we had to, you know, just kind of basically relearn read. And it’s funny once people Oh, it was used the mining industry just as an example. Once they change over to organic or biodynamic, the their yields actually go up. Absolutely. Absolutely. The quality goes up. And it’s like, but you’re right. It’s like the convenience of using these Yes, has fatal consequences. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker 50:28
And that’s it. That’s a perfect example. You talk about regenerative ag you talking about, again, you’re divorcing nature. You’re like, Okay, we’re gonna mono crop, you know, our country was founded by most of us were farmers, right. And now, and now, you know, the mono cropped world of 2% of the people are growing the food for all of us in this in this way. So it’s like we we left that, and then some sort of bright idea of, I don’t understand how that that was part of the deal. But
Dr Gundry 51:03
I always think back to the movie, the graduate with Dustin Hoffman. And the most famous line, I think, in the whole movie, other than Mrs. Robinson, you’re trying to seduce me. But pulling young Dustin Hoffman outside, he says, I have one word for you. Plastics. And oh, man, oh, my gosh,
Unknown Speaker 51:24
plastics are really good at their job. And that’s what makes it very difficult. Right? It makes it that it’s very good at the job, even in the food industry, in the supplement industry, the oxygen barriers, the resistance to mold all of that stuff. So it takes, you know, we become lazy, all these fatal convenience is just lazy, right? So you’re your friend to the winery, they have to now get back to what farming actually is how to actually build up a biomass. And that’s the crazy thing, like 1% increase of biomass allows for on the go with nature. 1% of biomass increase increases the retention of an extra 20,000 gallons of water per acre. Like, instead of like running off, right, and so it’s like, yeah, man, we, we have an opportunity here to continue to,
Dr Gundry 52:23
I gotta wrap this up. Is there any? I mean, we talked about a lot of tricks that people can do. It’s not hopeless. No, not at all. People say, Well, okay, I can start making a difference in my life. But all those other people aren’t going to do that. So in the end, I’m just gonna throw up my hands and say, it’s not worth it. What’s a,
Unknown Speaker 52:48
it’s an individual choice, I think you have to start with yourself first. And you have to start with your family and just start with your kids and your, your pets and things like that. And, and that, and that’s where, like, I didn’t even write this book to try to convince anybody of anything. Like, I’m just telling you information, it’s up to you. And so if you don’t want to apply this, you know, we all know what happens when people decide that they’re right, then that’s what they get to end with, that they’re right. And they don’t have the opportunity of that same example that you just said, if you are willing to try something different, that you know, because I know most of this stuff is going to be intuitive. As soon as people hear it, they’re gonna be like, Oh, wow, I had no idea. You know, anytime I’ve heard that, I had no idea that that had chemicals on I had no idea oh my god, I’ve been doing it all my life. Now I have an opportunity of change. And when you make that change, you get to integrate more. And when you integrate more that power of understanding what you’re doing, why you’re doing it is a snowball effect. And ultimately, under all of this stuff, I just want people to live the most amazing life ever and I don’t want them to be undercut by the products out there that don’t have their best interest. This has been great.
Dr Gundry 54:11
Speaking of not being undercut Is there a new season of down to earth that we should be looking for?
Unknown Speaker 54:18
It’s a good question down to earth is having a hard time some internal stuff so we may not do with third season however, I’m doing a whole new TV show with uh, I can’t really announce the the new co host but we’re well down the road of doing a new show. So great, super excited about
Dr Gundry 54:41
and as you know, I’m a huge fan of baroka nuts, and I understand that you ate all of the brunettes you bring me shame on you.
Unknown Speaker 54:53
But I just didn’t plan it. I
Dr Gundry 54:54
understand that you are alive and well with broken nuts and Those of you who don’t know what we’re talking about, you can watch our previous episode all about Darren and his Baruch and nuts. Best Ever best things ever. And we’ve actually, we’re working on a product that will use some baroka nuts. Stay tuned. It’s not ready yet, but we’re working on it we’re working on. All right. Well, listen, great to see you.
Unknown Speaker 55:25
Good to see you too.
Dr Gundry 55:28
Scary stuff, but be very scared. Spent the last 15 years or writing, trying to scare everybody about this. And welcome to the crowd. It is scary stuff. The stuff we don’t know. Yeah. And we need to change it. Yeah. And I agree with you. It is changeable. But it’s going to it’s going to have to come from us. Yes. Not gonna come from people looking out for our welfare.
Unknown Speaker 55:57
No, and that people have to also own that of their own health and their life. And that’s the ownership. No one is going to take that ownership. You know, I
Dr Gundry 56:05
gotta say, this is the only house I’m ever going to live in. Sorry. No, even Harry Houdini didn’t come back. I really disappointed, man. Yeah, man. But this is the only one we got. We put the care into this house, and the possessions we have that we do with everything else. Wow. And you’re gonna help people with this.
Unknown Speaker 56:29
Thanks, man. Appreciate these conversations and for people to become aware of things that they didn’t know about, because then that’s power.
Dr Gundry 56:38
Okay, it’s time for our audience question. This is from ytg. on YouTube. What are your thoughts about beet root powder? Well, I actually like beet root powder, I actually use beet root powder and one of my formulas to increase delimitation of blood vessels. One thing you got to be a little careful when you’re buying beet root powder is look at the amount of sugar and total carbohydrates, you’re better off looking for beet root extract, which has been if you will carbohydrate friendly, rather than beet root powder. So that’s my only advisor, we’ve seen some very nice effects in people dialing their blood vessels lowering their blood pressure, we actually can measure stiffness in blood vessels with some of our blood tests. And we see definite improvement and a number of people who do try beetroot extract. So great question. Now it’s time for the review of the week from aka little eye on YouTube. Your book changed my life. When I listened to you, I learned something new about health every time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Dr. G. Well, thank you AK little I on YouTube. I do this every day to show up to give you the information to change your life. And just like today, having Darren on he changed his life after looking at the suffering his dad went through. I changed my life when I saw what Big Ed did to his blocked coronary arteries, by changing what went through his mouth and taking some supplements from a health food store. And I you know, I devoted myself and I still do to figuring out how this guy did this how Darren has devoted his life to You know, his dad’s legacy. And I’m just trying to figure out how Packard is learned 2500 years ago, that all disease begins in the gut. And he was right and waiting to see the new book. If you think it’s hopeless. There’s a lot of hope, because death doesn’t have to begin in the gut like most of us believe so. We’ll see you next week. I hope you enjoyed this episode of The Dr. Gundry podcast. If you did, please share this with family and friends. You never know how one of these health hacks can completely transform someone’s life when you take the time to share it with them. There’s also the Dr. Gundry podcast YouTube channel where we have 10s of 1000s of hours of free health insights that can help you and your loved ones live a long vital life. Let’s do this together. Because I’m Dr. Gundry. And I’m always looking out for you
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